Hey Peter,
And yes we can't argue that, and people like you, Charlie, Mark, Sean and yes I could type a long list here. Keep the dream alive. But while thinking about it some more, there isn't enough open source applications for Coldfusion. I know there is a lot out there, but not enough in comparison to php, java etc. So maybe this is something else that maybe can be enhanced some more, btw Geoff I downloaded Farcry 5.0 beta and so far I am very impressed. The ease of installing, and upgrading has put more faith into the product. Andrew Scott P.S So looking forward to BlueDragon J2EE open source, knowing how much this will change the direction CF heads. From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Bell Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2008 9:21 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too? Hi Andrew, Well, I may not be Australian, but I did just come back from 3 months in Sydney. Anyway, I wasn't debating the job market or the future of ColdFusion, I was just mentioning that the ACE program has similarities to the MVP program and that some CF devs are promoting the technology outside of the community. Best WIshes, Peter On Apr 11, 2008, at 6:09 PM, CyberAngel wrote: No offence Peter & Charlie, But you are both non Australians, and here in Australia the job market is nonexistent and has been that way for 5 years. The point I made to Sean was simple, if the sales of Coldfusion is stronger than ever before. Why are the jobs for Coldfusion not increasing? And since that discussion nothing has changed. The perception is still the same, now whether we get out there more and promote the product is not the issue. But whether Adobe get out there and help us out more on this issue as well. But till there is a market shift in more jobs, this could be discussed for the next 5 years and that's when I want to see more jobs for Coldfusion developers. But right now what incentive is a prospective Coldfusion developer have if there is no job for him/her to go too? Same words, same argument only 5 years later. Andrew Scott From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of charlie arehart Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2008 3:19 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too? Good on ya, Pete. :-) And good point about how more may be being done than is recognized. We clearly have a large hill to climb, and it may seem like we're making no progress. Good to point out that there are indeed some efforts underway. /charlie From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Bell Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:11 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too? And as mentioned when this came up on another list recently, I think people do evangelize outside the community. In the last year I presented at ooPSLA '07 in Montreal, the Domain Specific Modeling Forum, the British Computer Society Software Practices Advancement group and Code Generation 2007. In each case there are some pretty influential developers and in each case I mention the language I use and why I choose it over Python, PHP, Ruby, C# or Java. Of course, the thing about evangelizing outside of the community is that nobody within the community knows when it's being done! Also Dan Wilson is doing great stuff on DZone and Kay S on SitePoint getting the ColdFusion word out, so it's getting there . . . Best Wishes, Peter --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---