Jean,
* The "TAB editing" feature of those 2 editors is one the best performance
booster I have seen in years. I have not found any in Eclipse.
Eclipse with CFEclipse offers tabbed browsing.
* Supported languages: a decent list is at
http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk/Bundles/. All the ones I need are there. Eclipse has a plugin for the majority of thee languages as well. Which languages are on your "list?"
* Flex: oh yes, I will resist. In the name of standards compliance and
accessibility. And it's not futile. Yes, Flash movies currently are not accessible, niether is Javascript related to AJAX and DHTML. lastly, people are just trying to help here and offer advice and not trying to convert you. I say use what you are comfortable with. Cheers, Teddy On 2/9/07, Jean Moniatte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks Jim, but no, Eclipse is not for me: * The "TAB editing" feature of those 2 editors is one the best performance booster I have seen in years. I have not found any in Eclipse. * Supported languages: a decent list is at http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk/Bundles/. All the ones I need are there. * Flex: oh yes, I will resist. In the name of standards compliance and accessibility. And it's not futile. Thanks, Jean Moniatte UGAL.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try UGAL.net at http://www.ugal.net/createawebsite/ -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cassata Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CFCDEV] RE: DW vs Eclipse Hello Jean, Eclipse has the benefit of once you get productive an comfortable (took me a week of harassing the members of this list) you can use it as an IDE for so many languages. I see now why it was worth the effort, it is ultimately more efficient to work with both as a lone developer and as part of a team. And, as a CF developer, there will most likely be Flex in your future, and Flex runs best in Eclipse. Resistance is Futile. Jim --- Jean Moniatte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Simplier situation here: I am the only developer using my laptop as > my dev > machine. This discussion made me try to switch from HS to Eclipse. > BAH. It > is definitely too heavy and feature rich for what I need to do. > > I have found 2 alternatives, they both implement tab editing which I > find > very useful: > - http://www.e-texteditor.com/ > - http://intype.info/home/index.php > > E-texteditor can use the ColdFusion bundle that has been developped > for > textmate (available only to mac heads): > http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk/Bundles/ColdFusion.tmbundle/ > > Hope it helps someone :-) > > Jean Moniatte > UGAL.net > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Try UGAL.net at http://www.ugal.net/createawebsite/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > RADEMAKERS > Tanguy > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CFCDEV] RE: DW vs Eclipse > > drink a beer to my health ;) > > happy to help. > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > >Of Jim Cassata > >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:44 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: [CFCDEV] RE: DW vs Eclipse > > > >Ok Tanguy, I owe you 2 dollars. Do you accept Paypal? > > > >Thanks, you all saved me from the remaining grief... > > > > > > > >--- RADEMAKERS Tanguy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> be careful: if you create your project in X:, you will have > eclipse > >> files (.project, maybe .classpath) in your web root. Create your > >> project > >> on C:, but then create link folders to X: (New -> folder -> > advanced > >> -> > >> "Link to folder in the file system") > >> > >> /t > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > >> >Of Jim Cassata > >> >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:03 PM > >> >To: [email protected] > >> >Subject: Re: [CFCDEV] RE: DW vs Eclipse > >> > > >> >So, I have my X: drive now mapped to the web root of my dev linux > >> >server. I have a project set up with a local workspace on C: Is > >> that > >> >correct? I can not just save an edited file and immediately see > the > >> >change in the browser. Should I use the mapping to the web root > (X:) > >> as > >> >my project workspace? This probably has a few of you laughing, > (me > >> too) > >> >but I am just burning hours trying to get cfeclipse to "eclipse" > my > >> >efficiency with DW. In DW, I open a file (RDS mapped), edit, > save, > >> >view. I see people do the same in videos of eclipse, but I can't > >> >reproduce this with my existing code in the linux webroot. Two > >> dollars > >> >to the first kind soul that helps me out (no fighting please) > >> > > >> >Thanks, > >> > > >> >Jim the hapless noob > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >--- Daniel Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Wow, thanks for the info Stijn. Had not heard of that working > copy > >> >> feature > >> >> before. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 2/7/07, Stijn Dreezen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Basically you can edit code where-ever you want with eclipse, > if > >> >> you > >> >> > combine cfeclipse with some version control plugin. We often > use > >> >> > subversion to create our repositories and check in/out code > on a > >> >> windows > >> >> > workstation with eclipse using a subversion plugin. Updates > >> >> > can be sent to where-ever you want on your linux dev server > by > >> >> creating a > >> >> > working copy > >> >> > somewhere in your webroot and add /path/to/working-copy and > svn > >> up > >> >> in > >> >> > hooks/post-commit in your subversion repository. This will > >> update > >> >> the > >> >> > working copy on your dev server each time you check in some > >> code. > >> >> > All transmissions are done via http, so this will basically > work > >> >> > everywhere. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > server and add > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Jim Cassata wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > There has been overwhelming response to say that CFEclipse > is > >> the > >> >> way > >> >> > > to go for coding CF over DW. I also understand that CF is > more > >> >> project > >> >> > > oriented than DW. In DW, I just point my RDS to the Linux > dev > >> >> server > >> >> > > (sole dev on the server) and away I go. In eclipse. the RDS > >> will > >> >> always > >> >> > > start on the server root, then I have to navigate to the > >> webroot > >> >> > > folder. But more importantly, I can not create a project > for > >> it > >> >> because > >> >> > > eclipse can not windows-navigate to it. Is there an > >> alternative > >> >> to > >> >> > > turning my workstation into a dev server (my software > >> interfaces > >> >> with > >> >> > > open-source linux tools) or using samba on the linux > server? > >> >> > > > >> >> > > It has been very very helpful, thanks to all of you who > >> >> participate in > >> >> > > the discussion. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Jim > >> >> > > > >> >> > > --- Andrew Thielen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > There are so many reasons why Eclipse in general with the > >> >> CFEclipse > >> >> > > > extension is an invaluable toolset for CF web > development. A > >> >> lot of > >> >> > > > those reasons are contained in the Eclipse Web Tools > >> Platform > >> >> (WTP) > >> >> > > > http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/. If your developing in > >> other > >> >> > > > languages > >> >> > > > as well (like php, Java and even .NET) you can usually > >> combine > >> >> all of > >> >> > > > those together here in one IDE. When you add CFEclipse to > >> that > >> >> you > >> >> > > > have > >> >> > > > a powerhouse that blows away DW and most other glorified > >> Text > >> >> > > > editors. > >> >> > > > If you're jumping over from Homesite or DW there is a > >> learning > >> >> curve > >> >> > > > but > >> >> > > > it's well worth the effort. Most people say they miss the > >> code > >> >> help > >> >> > > > but > >> >> > > > it's actually there just executed differently. You can > also > >> >> place the > >> >> > > > cursor in a CF TAG and hit the "?" icon and be taken to > the > >> >> correct > >> >> > > > livedocs url for that tag. You still have code snippets > etc. > >> >> Once you > >> >> > > > get used to it you'll never go back! If you want to learn > >> about > >> >> > > > setting > >> >> > > > up Eclipse with CFEclipse and a lot of other helpful > >> extensions > >> >> > > > Nathan > >> >> > > > Strutz has a video presentation and resource links at his > >> blog > >> >> > > > dopefly.net that I found very helpful. First watch the > video > >> >> > > > presentation (75 minutes) > >> >> > > > http://www.dopefly.com/techblog/entry.cfm?entry=121 then > go > >> >> download > >> >> > > > stuff > http://www.dopefly.com/techblog/entry.cfm?entry=118. > >> That > >> >> blog > >> >> > > > has > >> >> > > > a lot of other great posts about eclipse to check out > too: > >> >> > > > http://www.dopefly.com/techblog/?bycategory=5 > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Best of luck > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Andrew Thielen > >> >> > > > Senior Applications and Database Developer > >> >> > > > Environmental Defense > >> >> > > > http://www.environmentaldefense.org > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > > > From: Jim Cassata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:00 AM > >> >> > > > To: NYCFUG > >> >> > > > Subject: DW vs Eclipse > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Hi, > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Just wondering what people coding CF are > using,Dreamweaver, > >> >> > > > CFEclipse, > >> >> > > > and why. I like DW, have been using it for the last few > >> years. > >> >> As I > >> >> > > > venture into Flex territory, Adobe has seen fit to > introduce > >> me > >> >> to > >> >> > > > Eclipse. 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