>i am sure Apple would not characterize themselves as Nazi's, nor did i mean to >characterize them as such ... however as the saying goes "the road to Hell is >paved with good intentions".
>i am sure they have "good intentions" for their own bottom line and the >"happiness" of their customers. That currently seems to involve modifying how >they interact with App Store Developers, and the copyrights those devs include >in their submissions. They are a giant and can certainly affect the >marketplace, which they hope to do, to achieve the above benefits... but not >necessarily the health or the freedom of the rest of the ecology - which >Iverson Software, and Developers in general, inhabit. >By necessity the rest of the world must adapt (no matter which way Apple >swings), hopefully towards a win-win scenario, but not necessarily. ~greg http://krsnadas.org -- from: Raul Miller <[email protected]> to: Chat forum <[email protected]> date: Dec 13, 2019, 8:44 AM subject: Re: [Jchat] [Jsource] building jsource in Xcode for iOS platform Quoting: from: Ian Clark <[email protected]> to: Chat forum <[email protected]> date: Dec 12, 2019, 8:28 PM subject: Re: [Jchat] [Jsource] building jsource in Xcode for iOS platform who Quoted: from: greg heil <[email protected]> to: Source forum <[email protected]> date: Dec 12, 2019, 1:04 PM subject: Re: [Jsource] building jsource in Xcode for iOS platform where it was said: >>>It seems Apple is now on the warpath against ALL GPL'd code ...(the >>>presumption is they do not like the viral nature) … >>IMHO it's not Apple being nazi. It's forced on them. >Given that Apple is a very large collection of people, I think that this is >not a meaningful distinction. Or: it's only "forced on them" if we ignore >their past decisions leading them to this point. >> App Store sells products developed by 3rd parties, under contract governed >> by the usual commercial agreements to protect IPR, e.g. non-disclosure. It >> follows that "Open Source" and "App Store product" are a contradiction in >> terms. >Not at all. >But that doesn't keep people from making that kind of assertion. But the >people doing so, as a general rule, have not read copyright law, have not read >"open source" licenses, etc. >> But Apple has always based its business on offering (I don't say >> "guaranteeing") some sort of security with its premium-priced products. But >> more and more they're being asked to deliver. They can only do this – and >> only with their newer products, like iOS and Catalina – if they stop your >> machine *ever* running *any* code that has not been downloaded *without >> modification* from App Store. >This is much closer to relevant and accurate. >But it's still only a part of the picture. >> How are they going to do this without stifling independent development? This >> must be really taxing their best minds. >There's a variety of possibilities here, but... anyways... >> Think of a nation state trying to prevent their children (read: "citizens") >> seeing bad stuff on the worldwide web. I discern 3 approaches: 1. The >> Iranian approach. Pull the plug and stick the whole country in purdah. >Isn't that currently more of a fear and an intermittent issue than a long term >issue? >> 2. The USA/UK approach. Heavy bureaucracy that's mainly for show. All fur >> coat and no knickers. >That's ... not really accurate. It's more that most people don't understand >the goals of the various bureaucracies, even while heavily relying on their >people doing their jobs. >> 3. The Chinese approach. Iron hand in velvet glove. Needs bold PR. >Again, that's not completely accurate. But the place is huge, and also I have >less information about those systems. >> Apple, I'd say, is trying to stay with approach 3ns. But 2 and 1 are >> creeping in, as panic measures. >I'd characterize Apple's situation as: they're currently in a pendulum swing >towards being more of a style-based outfit. But, yes, most of their >manufacturing is in China because lobbying has made manufacturing here >unsustainable. And, as a result, they're experiencing a lot of pressure to >move away from the "substance" side of technology. Thanks, Raul ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
