Can't follow (or find any earlier older parts of) this thread, but if it suggests that someone is looking to update j for IOS I can't help but to cheer on that effort!
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 5:52 PM, greg heil <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> i am sure Apple would not characterize themselves as Nazi's, nor did i mean >> to characterize them as such ... however as the saying goes "the road to >> Hell is paved with good intentions". > >> i am sure they have "good intentions" for their own bottom line and the >> "happiness" of their customers. That currently seems to involve modifying >> how they interact with App Store Developers, and the copyrights those devs >> include in their submissions. They are a giant and can certainly affect the >> marketplace, which they hope to do, to achieve the above benefits... but not >> necessarily the health or the freedom of the rest of the ecology - which >> Iverson Software, and Developers in general, inhabit. > >> By necessity the rest of the world must adapt (no matter which way Apple >> swings), hopefully towards a win-win scenario, but not necessarily. > > ~greg > http://krsnadas.org > > -- > > from: Raul Miller <[email protected]> > to: Chat forum <[email protected]> > date: Dec 13, 2019, 8:44 AM > subject: Re: [Jchat] [Jsource] building jsource in Xcode for iOS platform > > Quoting: > > from: Ian Clark <[email protected]> > to: Chat forum <[email protected]> > date: Dec 12, 2019, 8:28 PM > subject: Re: [Jchat] [Jsource] building jsource in Xcode for iOS platform > > who Quoted: > > from: greg heil <[email protected]> > to: Source forum <[email protected]> > date: Dec 12, 2019, 1:04 PM > subject: Re: [Jsource] building jsource in Xcode for iOS platform > > where it was said: > >>>> It seems Apple is now on the warpath against ALL GPL'd code ...(the >>>> presumption is they do not like the viral nature) … > >>> IMHO it's not Apple being nazi. It's forced on them. > >> Given that Apple is a very large collection of people, I think that this is >> not a meaningful distinction. Or: it's only "forced on them" if we ignore >> their past decisions leading them to this point. > >>> App Store sells products developed by 3rd parties, under contract governed >>> by the usual commercial agreements to protect IPR, e.g. non-disclosure. It >>> follows that "Open Source" and "App Store product" are a contradiction in >>> terms. > >> Not at all. > >> But that doesn't keep people from making that kind of assertion. But the >> people doing so, as a general rule, have not read copyright law, have not >> read "open source" licenses, etc. > >>> But Apple has always based its business on offering (I don't say >>> "guaranteeing") some sort of security with its premium-priced products. But >>> more and more they're being asked to deliver. They can only do this – and >>> only with their newer products, like iOS and Catalina – if they stop your >>> machine *ever* running *any* code that has not been downloaded *without >>> modification* from App Store. > >> This is much closer to relevant and accurate. > >> But it's still only a part of the picture. > >>> How are they going to do this without stifling independent development? >>> This must be really taxing their best minds. > >> There's a variety of possibilities here, but... anyways... > >>> Think of a nation state trying to prevent their children (read: "citizens") >>> seeing bad stuff on the worldwide web. I discern 3 approaches: 1. The >>> Iranian approach. Pull the plug and stick the whole country in purdah. > >> Isn't that currently more of a fear and an intermittent issue than a long >> term issue? > >>> 2. The USA/UK approach. Heavy bureaucracy that's mainly for show. All fur >>> coat and no knickers. > >> That's ... not really accurate. It's more that most people don't understand >> the goals of the various bureaucracies, even while heavily relying on their >> people doing their jobs. > >>> 3. The Chinese approach. Iron hand in velvet glove. Needs bold PR. > >> Again, that's not completely accurate. But the place is huge, and also I >> have less information about those systems. > >>> Apple, I'd say, is trying to stay with approach 3ns. But 2 and 1 are >>> creeping in, as panic measures. > >> I'd characterize Apple's situation as: they're currently in a pendulum swing >> towards being more of a style-based outfit. But, yes, most of their >> manufacturing is in China because lobbying has made manufacturing here >> unsustainable. And, as a result, they're experiencing a lot of pressure to >> move away from the "substance" side of technology. > > Thanks, > Raul > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
