Re: Child Porn (was: Re: [freenet-chat] Thoughts about Freenet)

[David McNab]

> Anyway, I was asking a _hypothetical_ question to David, which still > stands. Do we need anonymous distribution of images to help heal child > abusers? We need a lot of things to help heal child abusers. Total reform of the justice system Total reform of the penal system Total reform of the education system Total reform of all 'religious' institutions (the Catholic Church is now proving to be a hotspot of child-molesting). Not to mention a fundamental shift of consciousness amongst the masses. But in regard to your question - I think you're twisting things a little. The original aim of Freenet has nothing to do with child porn. It has everything to do with honouring a basic and sacred human right - the right to express one's opinions, inspirations, feelings etc without fear of recriminations. Freenet is no more implicated in child pornography than is, say, the availability of cameras (or even any drawing or writing materials), hard disks etc. Do we see anybody questioning the Minolta, Canon or Nikkon Corporations for the fact that their cameras can be used in abuse of children? When those two Texans (?) were found guilty of dragging an African-American man to his death in chains behind their car, did anyone point the finger at the manufacturer of the car, or the manufacturer of the chains? With child abuse, including child porn, the damage is done when someone violates the consent and the unbelievably frail seedling sexuality of an innocent child. And the damage is perpetuated by the pandemic of suppression and denial which permeates most of society. So many cases of child abuse have escaped the attention of society because the family or community closes ranks, and pretends everything is ok. The family's credit rating is strong, the parents hold responsible jobs and send the children to good schools, so everything is fine. Seems that child abuse is always something that's happening "somewhere else" - the next street, the next town or state etc. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "freenet-chat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: Child Porn (was: Re: [freenet-chat] Thoughts about Freenet) > Owen wrote: > > > On 19 Apr 2001 12:09:20 +0900, Sam Joseph wrote: > > > > So my question to you David, is do we actually need the ability to > > > _anonymously_ distribute images to achieve any of the things you are > > > > talking about? Or would _anonymous_ distribution of text do just as > > > > well? > > > > > > I reiterate: > > > 1) UU-encode means there will always be binary data. See usenet > > Yeah, I heard you the first time. You don't think that UU-encoded > documents could be filtered? Maybe you don't want to do that, fair > enough, but don't tell me it can't be done without giving it some > thought. English text has statisical properties not found in UU-encoded > text. It could be filtered. > > > 2) If there is enough legitimate, useful data, people won't think > > kiddie porn is a problem > > Maybe. Personally, however much legitimate data there is I still won't > want to run a Freenet node for fear of being party to distributing child > porn, and I think there are a lot of people like me, maybe not on this > mailing list, but they are out there, and busily not using Freenet nodes > for just this reason. > > Anyway, I was asking a _hypothetical_ question to David, which still > stands. Do we need anonymous distribution of images to help heal child > abusers? > > Seems to me that I could set up my own Freenet node that just filtered > out any incoming data that didn't the statistical properties of known > natural languages, and I would feel fairly secure that I wasn't helping > distribute child porn. You disagree? Explain it to me in detail. > > CHEERS> SAM > > > _______________________________________________ > Chat mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat > _______________________________________________ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat