On Tuesday 24 July 2001 07:41 pm, you wrote:
> You need to read the UNI ID design. Tell me how they are going to get
> somebody's info.
Where is this design? All the links seem to be broken except the
license and dream pages.
> All it stores is an incomplete credit card number, and an email address.
> They can give a hotmail address, and execute their warrants on visa and
> mastercard. They will need to do brute force.
>
> As for the Chinese, this is going to be interesting...
> Once they join the WTO, they will be bound by many rules that will work in
> my favor.
>
> As for open source issue, I didn't know it was a registered trademark.
> Thanks for that info.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: toad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of toad
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS
>
> Taken to freenet-chat, for obvious reasons.
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:09:34PM -0700, Josh wrote:
> > Shareware! That may be a better title. It will be open source
> > shareware...???
> >
> > It's really a management issue: I want to advantages of open source, with
> > the advantages of management, and I'm convinced I can do it because
> > others have.
> >
> > I know, Ill call it "not open source", and I'll distribute the code!
>
> Open source is a *trademark*. You should really look it up with its owners,
> at
> http://www.opensource.org/.
>
> > As for the "freenet" word, I first head of it back I the 80's. it was the
> > internet backbone link into the USSR. It went from east (via japan) to
>
> west,
>
> > so as not to come from eurpoe. The "freenet" was used during the
> > attempted Gorbachev overthrow, by the anti-communist people. Being
> > commies, their bureaucracy was so bad that they didn't even know of the
> > internet link or how to turn it off. That's why all those emails made it
> > out during that timeframe, because of the "freenet" link. A little known
> > fact is that the NSA's listening system was used to pickup then
> > re-broadcast Yeltzin's comments (pro gorbachev).
> >
> > Rumor has it that the original freenet was a CIA idea (information
> > warfare tactic), that got tossed to the national sciences foundation.
> > The fact is, the internet and the open communication between the young
> > Russians and the outside world had a very large impact on the fall of
>
> soviet
>
> > communism. In my opinion, the same is inevitable for china. That's my
> > attitude toward China is a relaxed one: democracy is inevitable.
>
> Of course, you'll cooperate with Chinese police forces? A single point of
> failure from which the entire network can be compromized - a back door
> built in to the network for purposes of law enforcement. So anyone who can
> sue you can compromize the anonymity of anyone on the network, given that
> in *some* courts they will be able to get a ruling in favour, if they push
> long enough - i.e. if they have the money. Rather like a totalitarian state
> in fact.
>
> > I cant wait for them to try to fully implement their internet censorship
> > ideas. Oh, that's a disaster in the making.
>
> Fully implement? They don't fully implement anything, like the Taliban.
> They reserve special sanctions for special events. They arrest religious
> folks randomly to raise cash, not consistently to eradicate religion.
>
> > I can't wait for them to try to impose international law on me. Shit, I'm
> > going to move over to the .aq top domain (Antarctica)! (joke)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> > On Behalf Of Rob Cakebread
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:00 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS
> >
> > On Tuesday 24 July 2001 06:44 pm, you wrote:
> > > Theres a difference between a simple license and the technology. And
> > > besides, when I'm done with it, it will not look the GPL at all. And I
>
> did
>
> > > ask for permission, and they didn't respond. So there you have it.
>
> There's
>
> > > many other licenses out there to choose from. I'm currently looking at
>
> the
>
> > > Mozilla license, because I like it better.
> > >
> > > So I used the wrong words. What should I call it? "managed open source"
> > > "community open source" "my open source"? I have a design to write, not
> > > licenses. What do you wall want to call it? Since this is a big issue
>
> for
>
> > > all of you, you can all rename it to your liking.
> >
> > How about 'shareware'? Or since you are stuck on 'open source' being
> > in the title how about... 'Not Open Source'.
> >
> > > As for the SS, if they call us and say that they president is going to
>
> get
>
> > > shot, and somehow a UNI ID is involved, do you expect me to not work
>
> with
>
> > > them? Give me a break. Welcome to reality. There is no way ANY global
>
> file
>
> > > system can operate without having to work with law enforcement. They
>
> have
>
> > > the most to loose by taking advantage of us, because if they do, they
>
> will
>
> > > get denied. Then the next time there is a threat to the president, they
> > > will be sorry. You guys don't understand the difference between
>
> protective
>
> > > services and general law enforcement.
> > >
> > > I'm not going to hire some young attorney right out of the ACLU to
>
> accept
>
> > > the court orders and answer the phone when the SS call. I'm going to
>
> hire
>
> > 2
> >
> > > old clients of mine, ones a cop, the other is a retired SS agent. They
>
> are
>
> > > both good people, know the law, and have over 20 years experience with
> > > these issues.
> > > I'd trust most experienced cops with those issues before inexperienced
> > > computer whizs.
> > >
> > > Speaking of words, do any of you know what the original "freenet" was?
> > > Understand, I'm not saying you don't.
> >
> > I think it was some free ISP in Canada.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> > > On Behalf Of Rob Cakebread
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 6:34 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 24 July 2001 05:46 pm, you wrote:
> > > > Is that all you have to say? A terminology issue?
> > > > Open source is a method, not a religion.
> > >
> > > Funny how you have a problem with people stealing intellectual property
> >
> > but
> >
> > > it was ok to steal the GPL, re-word it. and use it without the EFF's
> > > permission.
> > >
> > > I think you have it right on the front page: 'nearly free'. If you
>
> changed
>
> > > all the references in the license from 'open source' to 'nearly free'
> > > we wouldn't be laughing at you.
> > >
> > > This is my favorite terminology:
> > >
> > > "17. You may not use MFS and/or UNI ID to threaten a life, violate
> >
> > national
> >
> > > security, sell drugs, distribute child porn, blah blah blah."
> > >
> > > Blah blah blah.
> > >
> > > There is no Open Source license that by any stretch of the imagination
> > > can be compared to your restrictive license.
> > >
> > > Oh brother. And this from your 'dream' manifesto:
> > >
> > > "Uniformity via management of the global MFS standards:
> > > Patents
> > > Trademarks
> > > Open source public license, similar to GNU public license.
> > > You can't steal something that's free.
> > >
> > > The GPL is free, but it is also copyrighted and you ripped it off
>
> because
>
> > > the EFF didn't respond within your time frame. Are we free of
>
> MerfucryFS'
>
> > > license if you don't respond when we want you to?
> > >
> > > We might not steal your software, but you say you will sue us for
> > > blah blah blahing with it.
> > >
> > > Sweet Jesus. I'm not making this part up. It's in his dream:
> > > http://www.mercuryfs.net/the_dream.htm
> > >
> > > "I intend to hire retired cops and SS personnel, the public will trust
> > > them.
> > > They understand law, and the balance of the peoples rights and
>
> individual
>
> > > rights."
> > >
> > > > There is no reason why I can't do both to accomplish my goals. Go to
> > > > www.mercuryfs.net/license.htm for the current version. If you read
>
> the
>
> > > > license, you will probably find that it satisfies your requirements.
> > > >
> > > > Remember, my goal is for a unified single standard. That will take a
>
> bit
>
> > > of
> > >
> > > > management to achieve.
> > > > I would be a real shame to pass us by because of terminology.
> > > >
> > > > If so, o-well. I tried.
> > > >
> > > > - josh
> > > >
> > > > PS: just because you have no respect for intellectual property
> > > > doesn't
> > >
> > > mean
> > >
> > > > you should attempt to force this method onto others. If you don't
> > > > want
> >
> > to
> >
> > > > talk, that's fine.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >
> > > > On Behalf Of Ian Clarke
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:42 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS
> > > >
> > > > << File: ATT00008.dat >> http://www.mercuryfs.net/
> > > >
> > > > This guy claims that it is P2P, open source *and* patent pending.
> > > > sounds like he doesn't actually grasp what "open source" means.
> > > >
> > > > Comments welcome.
> > > >
> > > > Ian.
> > > >
> > > >
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