Thanks. I'm taking a Gillette approach. MFS is free, so long as UNI ID is
used, and MFS cant function without a central authentication authority. So
they are really 2 symbiotic designs.
I know that I can register a credit card to a po box, using a borrowed
identity, and have email forwarding that loops thru a dozen ISP's and
nations. By the time they ID me, the statute of limitations would have
expired. Assuming they can get global cooperation in all the different
countries.
One useful fact about Chinese culture is they are terribly corrupt. As an
emerging country with many people and internal needs, its quite easy to use
that corruptness to our advantage. To find smart ideological people working
for the Chinese government is not too hard. When the time for our
confrontation comes, we will win.
I also get to deal with the legal issues and copyright issues that are
inherent with caching.
Oh, this is going to be a fun fun adventure.
- josh
PS: The feds and NSA already know me, so I've got it way easier than the
competition. (charges were dismissed) :)
-----Original Message-----
From: toad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of toad
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:58 PM
To: Josh
Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:41:09PM -0700, Josh wrote:
> You need to read the UNI ID design. Tell me how they are going to get
> somebody's info.
I might do that. Thanks for the history lesson BTW, interesting, though
somewhat off-topic for freenet-dev.
>
> All it stores is an incomplete credit card number, and an email address.
> They can give a hotmail address, and execute their warrants on visa and
> mastercard. They will need to do brute force.
Cool. Though I wouldn't stake much on hotmail's anonymity, if it is used for
only a single insert it should add substantial difficulty to somebody
tracing a
file after the event. And there are much more secure, but still 2-way (but
long
lag) mail pseudonyms available (nym.alias.net etc) - if you can ever get
them to
work.
>
> As for the Chinese, this is going to be interesting...
> Once they join the WTO, they will be bound by many rules that will work in
> my favor.
Possibly.
>
> As for open source issue, I didn't know it was a registered trademark.
> Thanks for that info.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: toad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of toad
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS
>
> Taken to freenet-chat, for obvious reasons.
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:09:34PM -0700, Josh wrote:
> > Shareware! That may be a better title. It will be open source
> > shareware...???
> >
> > It's really a management issue: I want to advantages of open source,
with
> > the advantages of management, and I'm convinced I can do it because
others
> > have.
> >
> > I know, Ill call it "not open source", and I'll distribute the code!
> Open source is a *trademark*. You should really look it up with its
owners,
> at
> http://www.opensource.org/.
> >
> > As for the "freenet" word, I first head of it back I the 80's. it was
the
> > internet backbone link into the USSR. It went from east (via japan) to
> west,
> > so as not to come from eurpoe. The "freenet" was used during the
attempted
> > Gorbachev overthrow, by the anti-communist people. Being commies, their
> > bureaucracy was so bad that they didn't even know of the internet link
or
> > how to turn it off. That's why all those emails made it out during that
> > timeframe, because of the "freenet" link. A little known fact is that
the
> > NSA's listening system was used to pickup then re-broadcast Yeltzin's
> > comments (pro gorbachev).
> >
> > Rumor has it that the original freenet was a CIA idea (information
warfare
> > tactic), that got tossed to the national sciences foundation.
> > The fact is, the internet and the open communication between the young
> > Russians and the outside world had a very large impact on the fall of
> soviet
> > communism. In my opinion, the same is inevitable for china. That's my
> > attitude toward China is a relaxed one: democracy is inevitable.
> Of course, you'll cooperate with Chinese police forces? A single point of
> failure from which the entire network can be compromized - a back door
built
> in to the network for purposes of law enforcement. So anyone who can sue
you
> can compromize the anonymity of anyone on the network, given that in
*some*
> courts they will be able to get a ruling in favour, if they push long
enough
> - i.e. if they have the money. Rather like a totalitarian state in fact.
> > I cant wait for them to try to fully implement their internet censorship
> > ideas. Oh, that's a disaster in the making.
> Fully implement? They don't fully implement anything, like the Taliban.
They
> reserve special sanctions for special events. They arrest religious folks
> randomly to raise cash, not consistently to eradicate religion.
> > I can't wait for them to try to impose international law on me. Shit,
I'm
> > going to move over to the .aq top domain (Antarctica)! (joke)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > On Behalf Of Rob Cakebread
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:00 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS
> >
> > On Tuesday 24 July 2001 06:44 pm, you wrote:
> > > Theres a difference between a simple license and the technology. And
> > > besides, when I'm done with it, it will not look the GPL at all. And I
> did
> > > ask for permission, and they didn't respond. So there you have it.
> There's
> > > many other licenses out there to choose from. I'm currently looking at
> the
> > > Mozilla license, because I like it better.
> > >
> > > So I used the wrong words. What should I call it? "managed open
source"
> > > "community open source" "my open source"? I have a design to write,
not
> > > licenses. What do you wall want to call it? Since this is a big issue
> for
> > > all of you, you can all rename it to your liking.
> >
> >
> > How about 'shareware'? Or since you are stuck on 'open source' being
> > in the title how about... 'Not Open Source'.
> >
> > > As for the SS, if they call us and say that they president is going to
> get
> > > shot, and somehow a UNI ID is involved, do you expect me to not work
> with
> > > them? Give me a break. Welcome to reality. There is no way ANY global
> file
> > > system can operate without having to work with law enforcement. They
> have
> > > the most to loose by taking advantage of us, because if they do, they
> will
> > > get denied. Then the next time there is a threat to the president,
they
> > > will be sorry. You guys don't understand the difference between
> protective
> > > services and general law enforcement.
> > >
> > > I'm not going to hire some young attorney right out of the ACLU to
> accept
> > > the court orders and answer the phone when the SS call. I'm going to
> hire
> > 2
> > > old clients of mine, ones a cop, the other is a retired SS agent. They
> are
> > > both good people, know the law, and have over 20 years experience with
> > > these issues.
> > > I'd trust most experienced cops with those issues before inexperienced
> > > computer whizs.
> > >
> > > Speaking of words, do any of you know what the original "freenet" was?
> > > Understand, I'm not saying you don't.
> >
> > I think it was some free ISP in Canada.
> >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > On Behalf Of Rob Cakebread
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 6:34 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 24 July 2001 05:46 pm, you wrote:
> > > > Is that all you have to say? A terminology issue?
> > > > Open source is a method, not a religion.
> > >
> > > Funny how you have a problem with people stealing intellectual
property
> > but
> > > it was ok to steal the GPL, re-word it. and use it without the EFF's
> > > permission.
> > >
> > > I think you have it right on the front page: 'nearly free'. If you
> changed
> > > all the references in the license from 'open source' to 'nearly free'
we
> > > wouldn't be laughing at you.
> > >
> > > This is my favorite terminology:
> > >
> > > "17. You may not use MFS and/or UNI ID to threaten a life, violate
> > national
> > > security, sell drugs, distribute child porn, blah blah blah."
> > >
> > > Blah blah blah.
> > >
> > > There is no Open Source license that by any stretch of the imagination
> > > can be compared to your restrictive license.
> > >
> > > Oh brother. And this from your 'dream' manifesto:
> > >
> > > "Uniformity via management of the global MFS standards:
> > > Patents
> > > Trademarks
> > > Open source public license, similar to GNU public license.
> > > You can't steal something that's free.
> > >
> > > The GPL is free, but it is also copyrighted and you ripped it off
> because
> > > the EFF didn't respond within your time frame. Are we free of
> MerfucryFS'
> > > license if you don't respond when we want you to?
> > >
> > > We might not steal your software, but you say you will sue us for
> > > blah blah blahing with it.
> > >
> > > Sweet Jesus. I'm not making this part up. It's in his dream:
> > > http://www.mercuryfs.net/the_dream.htm
> > >
> > > "I intend to hire retired cops and SS personnel, the public will
trust
> > > them.
> > > They understand law, and the balance of the peoples rights and
> individual
> > > rights."
> > >
> > > > There is no reason why I can't do both to accomplish my goals. Go to
> > > > www.mercuryfs.net/license.htm for the current version. If you read
> the
> > > > license, you will probably find that it satisfies your requirements.
> > > >
> > > > Remember, my goal is for a unified single standard. That will take a
> bit
> > >
> > > of
> > >
> > > > management to achieve.
> > > > I would be a real shame to pass us by because of terminology.
> > > >
> > > > If so, o-well. I tried.
> > > >
> > > > - josh
> > > >
> > > > PS: just because you have no respect for intellectual property
doesn't
> > >
> > > mean
> > >
> > > > you should attempt to force this method onto others. If you don't
want
> > to
> > > > talk, that's fine.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >
> > > > On Behalf Of Ian Clarke
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:42 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS
> > > >
> > > > << File: ATT00008.dat >> http://www.mercuryfs.net/
> > > >
> > > > This guy claims that it is P2P, open source *and* patent pending.
> > > > sounds like he doesn't actually grasp what "open source" means.
> > > >
> > > > Comments welcome.
> > > >
> > > > Ian.
> > > >
> > > >
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