Just out of curiosity, is Thunderbolt really consideration for Client
Cert now?  AFAIK, only Apple uses it, and more importantly, Apple is
in the process of abandoning it for USB-C, it would seem.

Jeff

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Ara Pulido <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> On 25/03/15 12:42, Zygmunt Krynicki wrote:
>> I agree there are some setup considerations.
>>
>> We should think about what we currently do (e.g. extra storage drive
>> or thumb drive or blank/rewritable optical disk) and see how we want
>> to handle things like this.
>> My gut feeling is that we should have something other than a job and
>> that for certification testing we should just do manifests and ignore
>> all the mumbo-jumbo flaky detection. It's not worth it and it doesn't
>> solve the problem. Let's focus on how to incorporate manifests into
>> our workflow. Then knowing the canonical identifier of the machine
>> being tested we can just load the manifest and test without flaky
>> guesses.
>
> I agree manifests seems to be the way to go. But this is a long term
> plan, that I agree we should pursue, but not relevant to TB.
>
> For TB, as we need the tests now, let's stick to the asking the user
> thing for now.
>
> Let's discuss manifest in parallel.
>
> Thanks,
> Ara.
>
>>
>> Thanks
>> ZK
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Ara Pulido <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/03/15 11:00, Zygmunt Krynicki wrote:
>>>> Hey.
>>>>
>>>> So my opinion on thunderbolt is that it is actually pretty good that
>>>> we cannot detect it. The last thing we should do is ask the user. At
>>>> the end of the day, we'll clone all the tests and replace the word
>>>> "display port" with "thunderbolt".
>>>
>>> So, we have three tests to create:
>>>
>>> 1) Displays - I agree that in this case it is equivalent to DP
>>> 2) TB Storage
>>> 3) Ability to put a TB storage device connected to the TB monitor, which
>>> is connected to the system.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The only exception is the daisy-chain test which should IMHO follow
>>>> our dependency step process where we ask the user to setup a
>>>> particular configuration before doing a off-the-mill storage test.
>>>
>>> Exactly, that's the exception, but that's a test that we need to create,
>>> and only offer to those systems that have a TB port.
>>>
>>> That's why we need to identify those TB (by asking the user), just
>>> because of the daisy chain one, but that's enough to have the test.
>>>
>>> Specially because we have just 1 TB monitor, so imagine that you are
>>> testing a system (from a pile that you need to test) and you don't
>>> realize it is a TB one:
>>>
>>> 1) You start testing
>>> 2) Checkbox thinks is a DP, so asks you to plug a DP monitor
>>> 3) You do it
>>> 4) Then it asks you to do daisy chain, if you have a TB port, and then
>>> you realize it is actually a TB one, so you need to remove that monitor
>>> and go and get the TB one. This wastes time.
>>>
>>> I think we should ask the user whether this is a TB system, and do it at
>>> the very beginning of the run.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>> Ara.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thunderbolt is display port. Let's not clone display tests because the
>>>> color and shape of the plug is different. Storage tests are different
>>>> because we're not testing thunderbolt. We're testing the add-on dongle
>>>> that adapts SATA or other storage device to work over PCI-E. This is
>>>> just a new shape for a storage controller card. We have tests for
>>>> storage. Nothing to see here, move along.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> ZK
>>>>
>>>
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