Yeah, thanks for the clarification (and IRC discussion too). I've never seen TB used outside of Apple so that's a new one on me. Heh... Sadly, since I don't do client certification stuff anymore, I don't keep up with what tech is shipping on them as much as I used to.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Zygmunt Krynicki <[email protected]> wrote: > Thunderbolt is not just for apple. Intel supports this heavily and it > has advantages over USB-C. > > USB-C, when used as a display port connector carries the same digital > signalling so I guess different connector, same old stuff inside. > > Thanks > ZK > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Jeffrey Lane > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Just out of curiosity, is Thunderbolt really consideration for Client >> Cert now? AFAIK, only Apple uses it, and more importantly, Apple is >> in the process of abandoning it for USB-C, it would seem. >> >> Jeff >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Ara Pulido <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 25/03/15 12:42, Zygmunt Krynicki wrote: >>>> I agree there are some setup considerations. >>>> >>>> We should think about what we currently do (e.g. extra storage drive >>>> or thumb drive or blank/rewritable optical disk) and see how we want >>>> to handle things like this. >>>> My gut feeling is that we should have something other than a job and >>>> that for certification testing we should just do manifests and ignore >>>> all the mumbo-jumbo flaky detection. It's not worth it and it doesn't >>>> solve the problem. Let's focus on how to incorporate manifests into >>>> our workflow. Then knowing the canonical identifier of the machine >>>> being tested we can just load the manifest and test without flaky >>>> guesses. >>> >>> I agree manifests seems to be the way to go. But this is a long term >>> plan, that I agree we should pursue, but not relevant to TB. >>> >>> For TB, as we need the tests now, let's stick to the asking the user >>> thing for now. >>> >>> Let's discuss manifest in parallel. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ara. >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> ZK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Ara Pulido <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 25/03/15 11:00, Zygmunt Krynicki wrote: >>>>>> Hey. >>>>>> >>>>>> So my opinion on thunderbolt is that it is actually pretty good that >>>>>> we cannot detect it. The last thing we should do is ask the user. At >>>>>> the end of the day, we'll clone all the tests and replace the word >>>>>> "display port" with "thunderbolt". >>>>> >>>>> So, we have three tests to create: >>>>> >>>>> 1) Displays - I agree that in this case it is equivalent to DP >>>>> 2) TB Storage >>>>> 3) Ability to put a TB storage device connected to the TB monitor, which >>>>> is connected to the system. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The only exception is the daisy-chain test which should IMHO follow >>>>>> our dependency step process where we ask the user to setup a >>>>>> particular configuration before doing a off-the-mill storage test. >>>>> >>>>> Exactly, that's the exception, but that's a test that we need to create, >>>>> and only offer to those systems that have a TB port. >>>>> >>>>> That's why we need to identify those TB (by asking the user), just >>>>> because of the daisy chain one, but that's enough to have the test. >>>>> >>>>> Specially because we have just 1 TB monitor, so imagine that you are >>>>> testing a system (from a pile that you need to test) and you don't >>>>> realize it is a TB one: >>>>> >>>>> 1) You start testing >>>>> 2) Checkbox thinks is a DP, so asks you to plug a DP monitor >>>>> 3) You do it >>>>> 4) Then it asks you to do daisy chain, if you have a TB port, and then >>>>> you realize it is actually a TB one, so you need to remove that monitor >>>>> and go and get the TB one. This wastes time. >>>>> >>>>> I think we should ask the user whether this is a TB system, and do it at >>>>> the very beginning of the run. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>>> Ara. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thunderbolt is display port. Let's not clone display tests because the >>>>>> color and shape of the plug is different. Storage tests are different >>>>>> because we're not testing thunderbolt. We're testing the add-on dongle >>>>>> that adapts SATA or other storage device to work over PCI-E. This is >>>>>> just a new shape for a storage controller card. We have tests for >>>>>> storage. Nothing to see here, move along. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> ZK >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~checkbox-dev >>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~checkbox-dev >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> -- >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~checkbox-dev >>> Post to : [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~checkbox-dev >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> >> >> -- >> "Entropy isn't what it used to be." >> >> Jeff Lane - Server Certification Team Lead, Tools Developer, Warrior >> Poet, Lover of Pie >> Phone: 919-442-8649 >> Ubuntu Ham: W4KDH Freenode IRC: bladernr or >> bladernr_ >> gpg: 1024D/3A14B2DD 8C88 B076 0DD7 B404 1417 C466 4ABD 3635 3A14 B2DD -- Jeff Lane - Server Certification Team Lead, Tools Developer, Warrior Poet, Lover of Pie Ubuntu Ham: W4KDH Freenode IRC: bladernr or bladernr_ gpg: 1024D/3A14B2DD 8C88 B076 0DD7 B404 1417 C466 4ABD 3635 3A14 B2DD -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~checkbox-dev Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~checkbox-dev More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
