No doubt this topic may lead to much discussion and controversy
since
their are many different oppinions....but.....
While there
are many issues that differentiate between legit breeders and
BYB, I think
with your horses, you understand the MAIN issue. A byb breeds
for no reason
other than dollar signs. Once the money ceases to come in
from the
breeding, they are off to other ventures. A legit breeder
actually cares
about the animal they are breeding. Just as your horses
were bred because
you loved the traits and personality of the specific
horse you were
breeding. A lot like people reproduce.....we can all just
go out and
adopt (as I did) or we can produce a child with a person whom
we have
fallen in love with because we want an extension of ourselves and
that
person.
Can mistakes and bad outcomes happen with a legit breeder??
Absolutely!
The question is, do we do everything we can to prevent the bad
and create
the best? Do we sacrifice all to assure the best possible?
Yes.
If you have been happy with your horse, have done all the
neccessary
ground work to assure health, ect., have taken responsibility
for the
offspring, rather that be keeping them or finding them the best
possible
homes, then it really doesn't matter if some people choose to
think you
are a byb. You answer only to yourself, God and the animals you
produce. I
am not a horse person, so I don't understand a lot of what you
said, but
sounds to me as if you had your head on straight when you choose
to breed
your horse.
As for Drake, what difference does it make at
this point if his breeder
was or was not a byb? Yes, we should try to avoid
buying from byb's in
order to discourage the continuation, but now that you
have him, all that
matters is what you do in the
future.
Marsha
> I really hate the term backyard breeder. It
gets very confusing to me
> what that means. I am assuming a lot that
goes on with horses
> breeding also applies to dogs. I do know dog
breeders that surgically
> correct defects to show there dogs. I am also
a horse breeder of
> halter horses so I do know what you are saying
about HYPP in the
> quarter horses. I raise Paints and APHA is doing
nothing about the HYPP
> issue. I have never felt they should be allowed
to be shown. To lose a
> class to a genetic defect, pisses me off. I
don't own any HYPP horses.
> I have owned one gelding with HYPP about 18
years ago. He was
> symptomatic. It was very sad to me. My friends all
have HYPP horses and
> even would breed H/H horses to win. HYPP is not
common in
> backyard breeders as it is in the bigger well known
breeders. They just
> insure the horses and collect when they die just
to buy more horses
> with HYPP. The sad part is many horses that they
purposely breed to get
> the gene of greatness (HYPP) is they are not
all show quality. Then
> they are useless as a riding horse. Dangerous
in my opinion. I have
> never bought a horse from a big named halter
breeder. I am not sure I
> ever would. There is just to much that I know
they do to the horses to
> win. If backyard breeders are just doing it
for the money then big time
> breeders are doing it for even more money.
I
> think there is many good horses sitting in someone's backyard that
will
> never be shown because they just are not into showing,
the
> politics or they just don't know what they have. Only a
small
> percentage of all horses are shown. Not so much that they are
not show
> quality. I have also seen so horses in the top ten stallions
that never
> should be there. They are there only because the owners
have money and
> can hirer the right trainer and take them to enough
shows. I have
> always trained and shown my own horses. I have done good
and I have
> done bad. I don't know if I am being judged or the horse.
There is just
> to much politics in a halter class. So in many ways show
records do not
> mean much to me. I do have show records on most of my
horses. My best
> mare does not have a show record. She does not even
look like much. She
> is Wimpy's great granddaughter. She is very
foundation looking. Not
> like the modern halter horse at all. She
produces the most gorgeous
> foals. If I was not a backyard breeder 20
years ago I might not never
> known that I had a great mare. She was in
heat. I loved her great mind
> and wanted a baby from her. She was just
my kids horse that I paid $200
> for. I rode her down to a breeding farm
that had a nice Paint Stallion
> I thought would cross good on her. He
also did not have to much of a
> show career do to injury, but his
babies where doing good at the shows.
> My foal was one of his best
ever. That let me know what I had if I
> breed her to the right
>
stallion. I continued to breed her to different stallions and learned
>
to show them. I have never shown out of CA but we have several State
>
Champions out of her and her foals. I have now raised 6 generation of
>
foals. Some people might call me a backyard breeder because I don't
>
have a big name and I do breed to my own stallions now after many
years
> of breeding to world champions. I will say my stallions foals
are twice
> the quality I ever got from paying thousands of dollars on
stud fees.
> Sometimes I would like to take the credit for the quality I
get. I
> think breeding is an art. You also have to have an eye for it.
In
> someway I was lucky. I had a mare that was a producer. She passed
this
> on to her foals.
>
> Back to dogs. I do know the
breeder of Drake did produce a dog with a
> great personality and
temperament. She did give him a full series of
> vaccines and raised him
to be 4 months old before she sold him. He was
> in good health and
pretty good manners. I never met the breeder. I did
> meet the older
daughters who sold him at the grocery store.
>
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com,
"Nonnie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:
>>
>> anyone can
create any registry and it doesn't matter. its the
> quality
of
>> the dog and its background that is important. I could care
less
> what
>> registry if any a dog is with. Most shouldn't be
registered as
> quality
>> anyways. I think a dog should have
to pass genetic testing and
> physical
>> traits before it
could be registered. That would eliminate alot of
> the
>>
backyard breeders who are breeding for money. PEOPLE think because
> a
dog is
>> registered anything its something special.... its NOT!! Its
a piece
> of paper
>> that's all.
>>
>> At
least the AQHA American Quarter Horse is doing something. As of
>
2007
>> they will no longer register HYPP postive horses which means
you
> darn well
>> better test the parents before you breed if
you expect ot have a
> registered
>> quarter
horse.
>>
>> Nonnie
>>
>> PS Back yard
breeders never identify themselves as BYB - and puppy
>
millers
>> never admit to being a puppy mill. They all say they are
trying to
> improve
>> the breed. A lot of people who breed
don't have a pot to piss in
>> financially and keep saying that they
can't afford this or that but
> they are
>> still breeding
puppies... makes you know why ... its because they
> sell
them
>> and make money inspite of what they
say.
>>
>> I call a spade a
spade
>>
>>
>> -----Original
Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com]
On
>> Behalf Of Marsha Taylor
>> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006
11:37 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
>>
Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a
Newbie
>>
>>
>>
>> >
whether
>> CKC is good or bad depends on who you are talking to, lol.
I prefer
> the
>> AKC, but am considering dual registering my
AKC's because it seems
> most
>> people are wanting
>>
CKC these days.
>>
>> So maybe your baby didn't come from
the best of places. My first chi
>> didn't either. I was in 8th
grade, and he came from a puppy mill. I
> didn't
>> know then
what I know now. Nonetheless, he gave me 16 wonderful
> years
and
>> I wouldn't have taken anything for him. Now that you have your
baby,
>> forget what his past was and focus on the wonderful future
you have
> with
>> him!
>> :-)
>>
>>
My chis love to play with my bigger dogs. In fact, I have a
> Husky/wolf
mix
>> that they adore! Like you, I never leave them
unattended...why take
>> chances, they can be accidently
harmed....but at the same time, I
> don't
>> worry a bit when
the chis are outside playing with the big dogs.
> The only
>>
thing I worry about is Ginger trying to take Barley out of the
>
yard...they
>> both know better!! lol. She is one that don't mind
anything and
> loves to
>> get the others in trouble,
lol.
>>
>> Marsha
