you say most of those have to be c-sectioned.....that is what most of us breeders try to avoid. I personally will never breed a dog again once it has a section. I just had two of my best dogs spayed because they had to deliver by section and I wont breed again if they do. Marsha
> Stefanie, > I agree.. show breeders are always trying to improve the quality of the > breed. Because of that they don't just breed to breed. Or because they > "love' the breed. Of course they love the breed, but they also are > trying to improve the breed. My Friend and breeder will not breed a > female who is over 6lbs, or a female that is not "finished" and a > champion. She hates the breeding process because it is scary, it's > difficult for the momma, most do have to be through c-section. When I > read that chi momma's are having 6 or more babies, I have to question > the size of the momma. > > > > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Stefanie Brannan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> From: Stefanie Brannan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] How Many Pups Can A Chihuahua Have In A >> Litter? To: Chihuahuas@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 7:11 PM >> Just curious, with these larger females/smaller males, >> don't breeders get a lot of oversized Chis? The mother >> must pass on something to the pups. I would think that >> size ( of momma and daddy) would be something that can be >> passed on to some pups??? Maybe that's why we've >> ended up with so many oversized Chihuahuas out there. Just >> wondering because I have never heard of a show breeder >> breeding a female over 6 pounds. >>  >> Stefanie >> >> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] How Many Pups Can A Chihuahua >> Have In A Litter? >> To: Chihuahuas@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:14 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> right....we do strive to improve the standards... .which is >> why we use >> smaller males to bring the size of the pups down within >> range. The AKC >> standards call for 6 pounds or less. We try to produce pups >> that are 6 >> pounds or less (but the bigger ones are still chis!) BUT, >> we were not >> talking about the pups produced, we were talking about the >> momma's that >> produce those pups. Often times, the mommas do NOT meet the >> size >> standards. But that is ok because the pups they produce do. >> Using a bigger >> momma to produce the standard meeting sizes, is >> safer.....the smaller the >> momma the bigger the chance of c-sections and >> complications. >> >> I think I am just not explaining myself well because I used >> a word that >> threw you when I first started. I used the word standard, >> but I was using >> it in a different form than what you were taking it as. so >> let me try >> again using a better word, lol. >> >> Starting all over.....the AKC standards call for a chi to >> be 6 pounds or >> less. That is what we try to produce. >> >> However, it is a NORM (?) to use a bigger than 6 pounds >> momma to breed. It >> is not unusual, is common, is acceptable (any of those >> work? lol) to use 6 >> to 8 pounds female for breeding purposes. Many of these 6 >> to 8 pound >> mommmas produce great show dogs. When bred to the right >> male, these 6 to 8 >> pound mommas produce pups that mature at less than 6 >> pounds. >> >> Any other breeders out there who can help me out....I fear >> I have done >> such a bad job explaing that I have totally confused >> everyone, lol. >> >> Marsha >> >> > Oh ok. I just read a lot and one of the things I have >> been told over and >> > over is that breeders should breed to the standard >> which is set by AKC >> > and the chi breeder's club. I know that a lot of >> people don't breed to >> > improve the breed but breed out of love for the dog. >> Thanks for >> > answering >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On >> > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] org >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:47 AM >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com >> > Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] How Many Pups Can A >> Chihuahua Have In A >> > Litter? >> > >> > 6 pounds is the AKC breed standard. Not Breeding >> standard, but breed >> > standard.... in other words the standard for the >> breed. You can not show >> > a dog over 6 pounds. However, when I said the standard >> for breeding, >> > what I meant is the average that breeders use to >> breed/reproduce. 6 to 8 >> > pounds is a pretty "standard", ei >> common/normal/ average , size of >> > females in a breeding program. Looks like we were >> talking about two >> > different things, lol Marsha >> > >> > >> >> Here is what I got from the breed standard website >> It is not 5 pounds >> >> but 6 pounds. I will have to watch closer because >> I have never seen a >> >> show chi over 6 pounds. >> >> >> >> >> >> ******"Size, Proportion, Substance >> >> Weight â A well balanced little dog not to >> exceed 6 pounds. Proportion >> >> â The body is off-square; hence, slightly longer >> when measured from >> >> point of shoulder to point of buttocks, than >> height at the withers. >> >> Somewhat shorter bodies are preferred in males. >> Disqualification â Any >> >> dog over 6 pounds in weight." ************ >> ********* ***** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] >> >> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] org >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:23 AM >> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com >> >> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] How Many Pups Can A >> Chihuahua Have In A >> >> Litter? >> >> >> >> no, not realy. I mean 5 pounds will be bred by >> most breeders if that >> >> is what they have...it isn't considered too >> small....but a whole lot >> >> of our breeding females are more in the 6 to 8 >> pound range. Even if >> >> you look at the dame of a lot of show dogs, you >> will find the dames >> >> are over the 6 pound limit. Good breeders often >> use larger females and >> >> smaller males to bring the pup size down with the >> male, but assure a >> >> safe delivery with the female. I'm not sayimg >> all the breeding females >> >> are this big, but it is not at all unusual. Also, >> if you look at the >> >> champion pedigrees of many pups, you will find the >> majority of the >> >> champions are on the sires side....this is because >> often the females >> >> being used are bigger than allowed in shows. It is >> simply a safety >> > measure. >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >>> I thought the standard for breeding was 5 >> pounds >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] >> >>> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] org >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:26 PM >> >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com >> >>> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] How Many Pups Can A >> Chihuahua Have In A >> >>> Litter? >> >>> >> >>> I am not sure how big Cindy's Cowdog is, >> but my Cayenne is about 6 >> >>> pounds.Cowdog maybe a little bigger, but no, >> not much. They are >> >>> pretty standard is sizes for what most of us >> use for breeding.... . >> >>> Marsha >> >>> >> >>>> Wow! 7 and 14 pups! How big is >> Cayenne and  Cindy's momma Chi? Are >> >>>> they big Chihuahuas? >> >>>> Stefanie >> >>>> >> >>>> --- On Mon, 11/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] org >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] org> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] org >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] org> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] How Many Pups >> Can A Chihuahua Have In A >> >>>> Litter? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com >> >>>> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 9:01 PM >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> That doesn't make a lot of >> sense....Cayenne gave birth to seven pups >> >>>> almost 3 months ago.....and if I am not >> mistaken, Cindy's chi had >> >>>> 14 two years ago.....sounds like maybe we >> need to report births >> >>>> more then, lol Marsha >> >>>> >> >>>>> The answer is here ! Enjoy....... >> ......... ......... .... 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