I am soo on board with to raw diet! I just have to buy a grinder... It's still grosses me out to grind the meat but after reading what kibble or dog food is made out of I'm totally grossed out!! I'm going to stick with Wellness until I get it all together!
-- Sent from my Palm Pre On Nov 18, 2010 9:51 PM, Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> wrote: i talk daily with raw feeders who have over 10 years raw feeding many dogs quarters daily with never an issue. there is a lot of meat around the bone and when the dogs back teeth bite down the bone is crushed in a pinch not splintered like you would snap it.... there would be no grinders in the wild where wolves eat bone daily and there arent splinter dead damaged wolves due to bone injuries all over...i know chi's arent wolves but the eating style is the same.... its natural. dj --- On Thu, 11/18/10, dasha <[email protected]> wrote: From: dasha <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 1:57 PM I have and yet have never ever had a dog get a splintered raw chicken leg bone. When I broke the bond in half it was a clean cut. Been feeding this way for years and years. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Deanna Corey Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. Break any chicken leg bone in half Dasha...feel the inside with your finger...they DO splinter and the pieces are very sharp!! Waggin' Tails in The Dog Park, Deanna and The Dog Park Pack: Nugget, Shuai-Li, Mouse, Myrtle, Mable, and Caleb and honorary non-dog members of The Dog Park: Stella-Macaw, Stanley-Amazon, Miles the cat www.joys4toys.com From: dasha <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 5:29:52 AM Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. I have never had a raw chicken leg bone splinter. How small are the ones you buy? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Deanna Corey Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. The one bone that just really scars me is a Chicken leg bone...they splinter...they just do. So for the Littles I feel so much better grinding the leg bones and the thigh bones too. BUT they can and do have both!!!!! My Chi's will get wings, necks, backs etc NOT ground and also have a ground meal too!!! I do watch ANY of my guys while they eat legs and thighs...even big Caleb...maybe I just worry too much!!! I will admitt that!!! But there have been cases of bone splinters from chicken legs piercing stomachs...it just worries me! I do enjoy grinding the meat for the dogs just as I use to enjoy cooking for them. I will also say that when I feed the grind...clean up is so much easier...just like canned food from a bowl...it can be fed anywhere with no mess. So...for me the choice is the work of grinding or the work of sanitizing the whole area they ate in...somedays I admitt I just enjoy grinding and not all the cleaning LOL! And Darcy....I am always right Huh??? I sure wish you would tell my kids that!!! Things would be so much easier around here!!!! LOL!! Waggin' Tails in The Dog Park, Deanna and The Dog Park Pack: Nugget, Shuai-Li, Mouse, Myrtle, Mable, and Caleb and honorary non-dog members of The Dog Park: Stella-Macaw, Stanley-Amazon, Miles the cat www.joys4toys.com From: Christy Sylvest <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 9:45:27 PM Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. I have 5 from 2.5 lbs to 10lbs the youngest is 8 months so I guess they would all be ok with bones they all have adult teeth. I have split leg quarters in the freezer right now...but I was worried about the larger bones and the "knuckle" in the thigh. Guess I'll defrost them for tomorrow. They have been getting breast bones and all and have loved it. "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest [email protected] To: [email protected] From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:41:29 -0800 Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. my danes i watch cause its chomp chomp gone..bones and all. but i also throw them a deer leg out back in the fenced yard and leave....the chi has a stainless bowl attached to her crate and she goes where i go all day... she ignors her ground raw till she decides its time then gobbles it in one sitting... the size of an ice cube..3 per day.(she is 6 months old now)... but i watch her with bones and she gnaws...i will leave her with a bone when she has all her teeth.. darcy. --- On Thu, 11/18/10, Christy Sylvest <[email protected]> wrote: From: Christy Sylvest <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 12:26 AM wow its amazing how many raw feeders there are on this chi group and to think I joined a raw feeding group...I could have just asked here. So none of you has ever had a choking problem or any other issues related to raw? How long have you been feeding raw? I was free feeding and so I didn't watch my herd eat all the time...do you all watch your puppies eat or just toss and go? "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest [email protected] To: [email protected] From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:24:42 -0600 Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. Yep, that's absolutely right - thanks for adding that - I thought about it and then promptly forgot to type it in - lol! Marykins -------Original Message------- From: Darcy Jacobs Date: 11/17/2010 11:18:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. skin can take some getting used to ...it is fatty and can be a little is better than a lot... till they get used to it. darcy --- On Thu, 11/18/10, Mary Nellum <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mary Nellum <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 12:13 AM Not Deanna, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night (winks). Yes, just give them the wing. Raw chicken bones are easily consumed, even by our little dogs. Mine doesn't usually eat all of the bone in a wing and I make sure to give her plenty of meat to go along with it. I use the bone to help keep their teeth clean and their poops firm - it doesn't take a lot. Marykins -------Original Message------- From: Nancy Lucky Date: 11/17/2010 10:44:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. Okay you all know that I am still thinking about changing to Raw - Deanna you said just toss them a chicken wing? Did you mean that literally - do not cut up or take off skin just give them the whole thing? Nancy and the girls --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> wrote: From: Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 4:05 PM wings are a great first food!! for a chi... my danes got quarters whole. darcy --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Deanna Corey <[email protected]> wrote: From: Deanna Corey <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 6:40 PM Simple raw diet for Ricky...start with Chicken breasts...cut in in little pieces he won't chock on...don't feed skin. Let him have fun chewing on the bones. Or...just toss the kid a wing!!! Waggin' Tails in The Dog Park, Deanna and The Dog Park Pack: Nugget, Shuai-Li, Mouse, Myrtle, Mable, and Caleb and honorary non-dog members of The Dog Park: Stella-Macaw, Stanley-Amazon, Miles the cat www.joys4toys.com From: Kavi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 3:21:42 PM Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. Hey Peggy I did try Ricky on Wellness recently. I did the small breed chicken kibble too along with canned. Yes the wellness kibble was the first he had ever eaten, but now it just sits in the bowl. he never eats it. (money down the drain) and even the freshpet select that I buy, he still eats it but very little and I have been throwing alot away. As far as by-products in dog food, I understand what you are saying. If you do a google on dog food by products you will find out the difference. what goes into dog food is nasty old diseased, road killed, rotten animal parts. With raw feeding, you are giving them fresh wholesome meat from our stores. In the wild, animals do not eat old, rotten, diseased, road killed animals, they kill there food and eat it right then when its concidered fresh. raw bones do not splitter. cooked bones do. bigger dogs can eat the bones raw as they come...but I myself would chop up the bones for my Ricky. I would think it would be cheaper also, if you just have one or 2 small dogs. You can get chicken marked down at the store, chop it up and freeze it. I know for a fact, that I will never ever feed Ricky any food that has by-products or other crap in it. If I dont feed raw, then I will cook human meat for Ricky. The way I look at it now, is: "Would I eat that"? meaning the raw food I would feed Ricky would I eat if I can cook it. Would I eat dog food out of a can? not unless I have not eaten in a month and needed to do it to stay alive. Many dogs do not have a choice between better or raw food, or canned crapy food that they are fed. they can not talk to us and tell us and they can not cook or shop for them selves. (I am being a bit extreme here... but) these are our babies we love so much. part of our family like a child. we spoil them rotten, why not feed them that way? I would just like a simple raw diet for Ricky as I said in my orignal post. Shanna From: Peggy & The Girls <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 1:47 PM For any one who can answer my questions to: >From what I understand is that a dog has to be on all raw or on >all kibble diet, I have gotten the impression that you can't mix both. Or >maybe I am wrong? I also understand that if you go raw, they have to >have the bones as well, and in order to avoid splinters from the bones, it Has >to be grinded. Yet someone posted a picture of their dogs eating a whole raw turkey, so I am confused on the grinding issue!! I would think for a dog that doesn't have a lot of teeth like my Gigi (I adopted her that way) that raw wouldn't be a good idea because she can't chew as good as she should. Which also makes me wonder what will raw fed owners do when their Chi's get into their senior years and loose teeth? I am also confused about people saying that the by products of chicken and beef is bad for dogs, yet, if you feed raw, they Are eating the by-products of the animal, so what's the difference? What I also find interesting is that I had two Maltese PM puppies (RIP) that were supposedly never to have made it past the first couple of days that I owned them because they were so sick with being overdosed with Parvo shots, were on a diet of Iams kibble and milk bones for their whole life and never saw a Vet except for their shots, and only had their teeth cleaned once, and never lost any teeth, and yet they both lived to 14 yrs and 16.6 years old, with no health issues. The only people food that they ever had was egg and cheese. I had always kept them on a strict diet of their own food and never gave them the leftovers. It just makes me wonder if all of the controversy over raw and natural kibble diets is really worth it. In fact I look back at all the dogs that I had prior to the Malteses, and they all lived to 14 to over 16 years old and never saw a Vet. None were ever on HW and Flea Spot stuff either. Some never even had Boosters or a Rabies shots either. I some times think that more health issues are related to the shots and flea and HW stuff then their diet. And Iams kibble was the only food I ever fed any of them. They were all different breeds to. It all just makes me wonder.. I'm not a raw feeder, but I wanted to tell you that if Ricky is a picky eater, like my Princess is, then, have you ever tried the Wellness Chicken kibble? Princess has never been big on eating, but now that she has been on the Wellness Chicken, she looks forward to meal time and even ask for seconds, They breed and raise their own chickens and everything is processed in their own plant, so you don't have to worry about cross contamination. It's mostly pure chicken plus veggies and the omegas are added in, no fillers, preservatives,artificial colors etc.. The chicken type is a larger chunk, so for Gigi, I put her portion in the blender and chop it smaller, and I have noticed by doing this that she is not downing the chunks, but now takes her time in eating it. I did not like the turkey and fish blend, which is marked for small breeds because her poop and breath stank. She actually likes the Chicken better.The chicken blend is called Super 5 Complete Health blend and is all natural. I tried other brands and this was an instant hit. Their canned chicken is 95% pure chicken. If you email them, they may send you samples. http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/product-details.aspx?pet=dog&pid=52&dm=completehealth ♥ Peggy & The Girls ♥ -----Original Message----- From: Kavi <[email protected]> To: Chihuahuas <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 2:54 pm Subject: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again... Hi everyone I know we have about exhausted the raw feeding talk. I want to start feeding Ricky Raw. He likes our food so much that I am waisting money on dog food. So I would just like a very simple recipe for Ricky. I do not want to grind up food. I just want to mix like raw beef, turkey, or chicken, the livers etc with veggies and whatever else. what about vitamins? He will get all the vitamins he needs in raw? A meat, livers, veggies? and what about the raw bones? can I just put them in a baggie and use a hammer and crush them? I can read about raw feeding online, but who better to ask than the ones who do it here! Thanks shanna Letter by Mary Nellum Designs The Lamb Of God Stationary created by Mary Nellum Designs Futura Fonts Graphics found on WWW and used for personal use only. I do not claim them as my own or receive profit.
