Nathan Ryan wrote: > Hey all, First off, apologies if I am replying to this incorrectly - > I usually read mailing lists, rarely post. > > I thought Hermann's comment about dev manpower was worth me coming > out of my shell. > > I work as tech support at a film department in an University of fine > art. I have been expounding the virtues of using an open source > model in an educational and artistic setting for a few years now. It > seems that ears are beginning to perk up. One main point of interest > has become the Cinelerra project. We recognize Cinelerra as an > amazingly powerful tool, but one which is not particularly usable for > us as an institution in its present form. We have begun to piece > together a two pronged approach for our film department with regards > to open source software development - partnership with another local > University and their computer sciences dept, and pursuing research > grants. We have talked about some specific film related programs > which currently don't exist, at least in the open source realm. We > are also talking about Cinelerra. Here is where the community can > really help out - and hopefully we can really help you guys too. I'm > not a programmer by any stretch of the imagination, but I do have > some idea of how big a project Cinelerra is. We've outlined a
http://www.dwheeler.com/sloccount/ Totals grouped by language (dominant language first): ansic: 310217 (53.96%) cpp: 247874 (43.12%) sh: 10580 (1.84%) asm: 5936 (1.03%) perl: 258 (0.04%) sed: 16 (0.00%) Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 574,881 Development Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 157.97 (1,895.69) (Basic COCOMO model, Person-Months = 2.4 * (KSLOC**1.05)) Schedule Estimate, Years (Months) = 3.67 (44.00) (Basic COCOMO model, Months = 2.5 * (person-months**0.38)) Estimated Average Number of Developers (Effort/Schedule) = 43.08 Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 21,340,200 (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40). YMMV about this results ;) > few things which we feel need to be "fixed up" before we can be > serious about using Cinelerra as a core part of our program - > reliability and ease of installation and use being two areas. > Currently it seems there are functions which are not working properly > - firewire import for one. I proposed some time ago to throw the FW import away and instead make a dvgrab frontend at that place. Thats probably the best and simplest way to fix it. Maybe without live preview. > Installation is also somewhat convoluted (though projects like Ubuntu > Studio might help alleviate that problem). One large feature which > is missing (or so it seems) for us is support for DVCPro HD in MXF > wrappers (from the HVX200 camera). Any thoughts or advice you as the > developer community can pass on would be great. In particular I > would like to know more about how we could work with you guys to > create the best possible software. Also, in the case of the grants > (if and when) - are there any cinelerra/linux developers out there > who would consider working with us on contract? I do, but I am quite new on board. I'd step back for anyone else who want's this job. How about HV? > I will remind everyone out there in cinelerraland that this is still > in the very early stages of planning, but the idea does have the > support of admin here at the school, so it is something that isn't > just a pipe dream. Please email me directly with ideas and > suggestions, be it with the program itself, or with regards to how we > as an institution with specific goals (which conceivably could differ > from the CV project) do not can work positively with the community. > > To sum up our basic goals for the project: > > 1. Have a feature rich, professional quality HD video editor which is > usable as a teaching tool. Mission already completed. > 2. Stable codebase Neverending work, but under way. > 3. Streamlined work flow. Cinelerra could be used in diffrent ways/workflows, some could be improved for sure but I'd rather dont want't to miss any existing ones. > 4. Must not require a degree in computer science to install and set > up to use. apt-get install cinelerra > 5. Develop codecs to support our file type of choice - DVCPro HD in > MXF wrapper. (Red camera may expand this requirement.) Sounds like much work. > 6. Maintain GPL status of project, and provide community with all > research and development progress. GPL can't be taken back Cheers Christian _______________________________________________ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
