Oh, ok if I mis-understood then, yes a SAML trace would be good, as well as 
knowing is this new or did it work.   Seems similar to what I have seen in UCCE 
with the packet stuff not signed or wrong encryption type… course thats UCCE vs 
CUCM,  but usually cucm just works…


> On Sep 16, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Johnson, Tim <johns...@cmich.edu> wrote:
> 
> Nah, looks like he said logging into CCM Admin pages, with AD accounts, so 
> all areas of the web UI (I believe). The NTP errors that I’ve seen are 
> presented as SAML assertion errors.
>  
> I’m curious if this is a new SSO config, or if it was working properly and 
> something’s changed.
>  
> From: cisco-voip <cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net 
> <mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net>> On Behalf Of Kent Roberts
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> To: Matthew Loraditch <mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com 
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> Subject: [External] Re: [cisco-voip] Error Processing SAML Response
>  
> Remember he said it also was happening on the CUCM Admin account which has 
> nothing to do with SSO/SAML.   So means its most likely internal to cucm...
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2021, at 4:36 PM, Matthew Loraditch 
> <mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com 
> <mailto:mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com>> wrote:
>  
> The logs are pretty clear when its a time difference as the error. I’ve not 
> seen it randomly occur but definitely the error will be it’s time and may 
> even show the difference. 
>  
> Its the 4j log file for sso I believe 
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> <mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net>> on behalf of Lelio Fulgenzi 
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> To: Jonathan Charles <jonv...@gmail.com <mailto:jonv...@gmail.com>>; Benjamin 
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> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Error Processing SAML Response
>  
>  
> [EXTERNAL]
>  
>  
> Have you been able to confirm the time difference?
>  
> I’m not trying to take their side of things, but if it’s minutes off, I 
> wouldn’t doubt that’s possible. SSO is highly secure, right? A time 
> difference might be enough to throw it off?
>  
> Here’s  reference:
>  
> https://support.pingidentity.com/s/article/Accounting-for-Time-Drift-Between-SAML-Endpoints50907
>  
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>  
>  
>  
> From: cisco-voip <cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net 
> <mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net>> On Behalf Of Jonathan Charles
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> To: Benjamin Turner <benmtur...@hotmail.com <mailto:benmtur...@hotmail.com>>
> Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net <mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Error Processing SAML Response
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> No... TBH, I have never heard of it...
>  
> TAC is hyper-asserting that the issue is time mismatch between CUCM/CUC and 
> ADFS... 
>  
>  
> Jonathan
>  
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 4:08 PM Benjamin Turner <benmtur...@hotmail.com 
> <mailto:benmtur...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Have you tried to run a SAML Tracer? 
>  
> Sincerely,
> Benjamin M. Turner
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> <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net <mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
> Subject: [cisco-voip] Error Processing SAML Response
>  
> So, users are randomly getting the above error when logging into CUCM UCMUser 
> or CUC Inbox... we are also getting it using AD credentials into admin pages 
> for CUCM/CUC/etc.
>  
> For a user, it will work find repeatedly, then you will get the error, close 
> your browser, and reopen, still get the error for a few minutes. Then later 
> it will work. When a user is affected, other users work fine.
>  
> TAC is saying it is an NTP issue, however, NTP between CUCM 12.5 and IdP 
> (ADFS 2.0) is fine.
>  
> Pings are around 1ms between servers.
>  
> Any ideas?
>  
>  
> Jonathan
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