Dollard,
You've got a point. I think everyone on the list would
agree that nothing can buy experience. It's
invaluable. But how do you expect one to get
experience when your job is limited to network &
desktop support with an ocassional router install? Do
you expect us all to get Cisco to employ us & give us
the experience? It's a catch-22. Employers only want
experienced people but not willing to give potential
employees with paper CCNA, CCNP, for example, a chance
to get that valuable experience. I guess that makes
privileged people like yourself more invaluable and
your job more secured.
--- Dollard Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ken, WOW, congrats for that :) (thats the ken at
> cisco)
>
> the other ken, yammy,
> im sorry before hand, but im going to have to flame
> you before you do
> something stupid.
> DONT GET UR CCNP without exp. thats the kind of
> stuff, that ruined microsoft
> certs, thats ruining the CCNA, and that will
> eventually ruin the CCNP. on
> top of that, you'll have a much easier time passing
> the ccnp if you have
> work experinence and get real life exposure to
> networking.
> i worked hard to get my ccnp, and im going for the
> ccie now, and i'd love to
> see my certs keep their value and not get
> devalorized because some ppl think
> its the easy road to getting the pot of gold. its
> not, its a hard and
> demanding job, theres always something to learn, and
> always networks with
> problems. a CCNP is expected certain things, and in
> case you didnt know, if
> cisco receives complaints about incompetent work on
> your part, they can
> revoke your certification. please do yourself a
> favor by getting experience,
> your employer might pay ur certs after that, with
> training, and you'll wa
> ste less time on your own doing so.
> Morgan
> PS, any1 who wishes to flame me on this subject is
> free to do so, i
> guarantee it wont look pretty in the end.
> I've met one CCNP that had no exp and didnt know wtf
> he was talking about,
> and i hope for the others out there i never meet one
> again.
>
>
>
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De: K Sacca [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 03:26
> > À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Objet: Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > I received my CCNP almost two months ago. About 2
> > weeks after receiving the cert, I started firing
> off
> > my resume everywhere. I received a call from
> Cisco,
> > as they were interested in my background. I
> passed
> > the phone screening, then passed the brutal face
> to
> > face interviews at Cisco with about 7 people. I'm
> now
> > working with the IOS WAN Test team. Before this
> job,
> > I had about 10 years of experience with desktop
> > computers, network servers and Microsoft products.
> I
> > had a MCSE and a Compaq ASE. I made the switch to
> > Cisco as I see problems down the road for
> Microsoft.
> > I think Sprint Paranet will also hire you with a
> CCNP.
> >
> >
> > Now the task of getting a CCIE should be
> achievable
> > since Cisco gave me my very own testbed loaded
> with
> > seven routers.
> >
> > Good Luck.
> > Ken
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > > "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > 000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu">news:000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu...
> > > What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job
> without
> > > prior work experience
> > > with routers and such? I'm debating this issue
> with
> > > my girfriend. She
> > > thinks that job experience is more important,
> and
> > > that I should be looking
> > > for a job to move me up. I, on the other hand,
> > > don't think I can find much
> > > of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a
> > > CCNP, but I'm not quite
> > > sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job.
> Any
> > > help would be
> > > appreciated.
> > >
> > >
>
> > > -ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
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