But what if you started at a young age and had time to get all of these things banged 
out by the time you were 35 and then tried to find a company that specializes in them 
all. I would want to get these certs, if not for the money, just simply for the hunt. 
I just love the rush of seeing "congradulations" at the end of a cisco test. I do 
agree with you on your point of why a company would hire someone who knew it all when 
they just wanted a piece of their brain. I also think, on the other hand, that the sky 
is not the limit and the only way to get higher in life...is to get better at what you 
do. By the way, I did a double-take when I saw that you replied to one of my posts. I 
know that you are a very respected man in this field and wanted you to know that I 
appreciate your time in writing on this topic. Thank you from a young hopeful,

Mark Z. ~ CCNA, CCDA

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From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: August 27, 2000 7:53:48 PM GMT
Subject: RE: Higher than CCIE...


Let's look at an area where certification is well established:  medicine.

New medical school graduates have to pass the test of the National 
Board of Medical Examiners.  Call that the doctor's CCNA. It's entry 
level to internship.

Most physicians who do not further subspecialize will do 3-4 years of 
combined internship/residency in an approved program. Depending on 
the field, they complete an approved residency program and may take 
tests to become "Board eligible".  Board certification usually 
requires some time in practice, and possibly case presentations as 
well as tests.  For internal medicine, the specialty board is the 
American College of Physicians. "diplomates" are board-eligible, 
while a board certified internest is a Fellow of the ACP (FACP).

Let's say you complete an internal medicine residency and want to 
specialize further.  You go on to a fellowship of several years, in 
cardiology, infectious disease, gastroenterology, etc.  Each of these 
subspecialty boards has its own approved program of training and 
certification.  So, Dr. X goes through another several years and 
meets the requirements of the American College of Cardiology.  Dr. X 
is now FACP, FACC, although most cardiologists would just write FACC.

Now, the good cardiologist wants to subspecialize even more.  There 
are higher-level fellowship programs, such as angioplasty, 
electrophysiology, etc.  While these "tertiary" specialties have 
professional organizations, they don't typically have exams as such. 
Instead, the control on practitioners is that you must have 
demonstrate advanced training and a certain number of supervised 
cases before a hospital will give you credentials to do the 
procedures.

There are various interdisciplinary specialties, such as pediatric 
general cardiology, where you might have a pediatrics and cardiology 
certification.

My point here is that the more specialized physicians, such as 
invasive cardiologists that limit their practice to angiography and 
angioplasty remain busy full-time doing just that.  The question 
really comes up with respect to networking certification:  who would 
want someone who is a specialist in everything? At some point, you 
need real experience, and typically in a specialty.

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