Way to go Adrian.... Wow, I wish I could put post like yours together.
Robert
"Adrian Chew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Gee... must have been a really bad day huh? Can't say I disagree with
> what's been said though - there's a pretty big pipeline of people waiting
> for lab exam openings and from rumors heard of people getting throw out
> halfway through day one - there's more than enough attempts made without
any
> hope of succeeding.
>
> The part that troubles me most is those newbie CCNPs or CCIE writtens who
> have no idea what they're in for next. If you ask me, having finished
your
> CCNP/CCDP/CCIE written is like 20% of the battle - the rest is yet to
come!
> It can be done - with practice, patience, practice, experience, practice,
> study - and most important of all - TIME! And if you contrast it to elite
> atheletes who train a couple of hours a day for a lifetime, you gotta
> actually admit the CCIE is actually less demanding.
>
> And if you needed a whole bunch of test questions and exam prep tools such
> as Boson for those written tests, KIV the CCIE - you'll save yourself a
lot
> of grief and leave one extra spot available for someone else who stands a
> decent shot at it. Each CCNP/CCDP level test should be passable by just
> reading a book, and having had some hands on with Cisco equipment (say 20%
> of job over 2 years in some network admin position). The CCIE written
> should only need a bit of brushing up here and there after on some topics.
>
> You can try to memorize concepts and get certified - but lack of
> understanding will be a sure killer for the CCIE lab, and you'll never be
> the sharpest engineer out there. For those people who are starting out
and
> struggling with subnetting and VLSM, networking likely isn't the line for
> you. For those who've gotten past CCNP/CCDP - stop, think twice, before
you
> embark for the CCIE. I have a friend who started out more than two years
> ago for the CCIE, he's got his CCNP, passed his CCIE written, but is
holding
> off the lab - he knows he's not ready. And that's not to say he's not
> sharp, he's got an engineering background, is the lead Cisco tech in his
> company, but he's got a girlfriend and life and time he'd rather spend
doing
> other stuff as well besides preparing for the lab.
>
> Let's face it - the CCIE isn't for everyone. Unfortunately the hype has
> gathered a bunch of money hungry certification crazy folks into the race.
> Thankfully - it simply cannot be done without putting in the requisite
> effort - you would have to work very hard at trying to cheat to pass the
> CCIE lab - so hard, that its just like having worked/studied for it
(hehe!).
> Fortunately, for those who dig it - the CCIE can be a very in-depth
> fulfilling lifetime experience - Cisco technology is full of neat
surprises
> and tricks, and the world just needs more and more of us.
>
> Chuck, hang it there - it can be tough going, but someday soon. Thought
for
> the future - all IT certifications should be lab based... a one day CCNP
> lab exam, 1/2 day CCNA lab exam - and make the MCSE a 2-day lab, that will
> sure weed out the thousands of paper MSCEs!
>
> Regards,
> Adrian
>
> ""Chuck Larrieu"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >
> > WARNING: The following is a bit heated.
> >
> > YOU MAY WANT TO SKIP THIS ONE
> >
> > R
> >
> > A
> >
> > N
> >
> > T
> >
> > A
> >
> > N
> >
> > D
> >
> > R
> >
> > A
> >
> > V
> >
> > E
> >
> >
> > OK. Steam coming out of ears. I've been trying to avoid comment on a
> number
> > of these kinds of questions, but this does it.
> >
> > IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THE F*****ING WORK, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU
> DESERVE
> > TO BECOME A F*******ING CCIE???????????
> >
> > The certification is Cisco Certified Internetworking EXPERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > It is NOT Cisco Certified Internetworking SLACKER!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > THERE ARE NOT SHORTCUTS!!!!!!!! DO THE DAMN WORK, OR GIVE IT UP!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Sorry, but there are far too many unqualified people clogging the
> pipelines,
> > for training classes and for the Lab itself. The certification is hard
to
> > achieve for a reason. GET IT??????
> >
> > My apologies for losing my temper, but I am getting pretty tired of
> spending
> > all my spare moments in certification related activities while at the
same
> > time seeing this kind of stuff coming across all the Cisco lists.
> >
> > RANT AND RAVE
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > Hubert Pun
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:24 PM
> > To: Cisco Study Group
> > Subject: Lab exam
> >
> > Any one know what to expect on the lab exam?
> > for example, out of 100 points
> > how many points are BGP?
> > how many points are SNA or DLSw?
> > how many points are IPX?
> > how many points are OSPF? (is it still 20?)
> > how many points are Catalyst?
> > what equipment to expect? (according to the website below, there will
> > only be 2500, 3600, 4000 and Cat 5k)
> > how many points are ATM?
> >
> >
> > I have taken a look into http://www.ccbootcamp.com/ccielab.htm and I am
> > not sure how update the info is.
> >
> > Where else can I find the mark distribution for the lab? (i know that
> > the Cisco blue print does not really have the mark distribution)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
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