I think most people would consider someone asking a question about how
something works, or why you do such and such, a valid question. Asking
someone to tell you what to study and what not to study is not a valid
question as far as I'm concerned.
Clayton Price
"jennifer cribbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> I can only speak for myself, and as someone just starting out from the
> standpoint of alot of you guys, that response will make me think before
asking
> what i would consider a valid question. And is validity assessed by what
you
> all connsider valid, or what I consider valid based on the knowledge I
have
> acquired so far??? We all learn at different rates and all have different
> knowledge and I personally read the reply and what prompted the reply. Is
it
> up to anyone to judge the seriousness or the study habits of another and
> actually criticize??? Being an e-mail group and filled with people trying
> from all levels to suceed, I feel all questions are valid. Granted, some
of
> his questions were a little pointed and needed more research on his part,
> but....I refuse to put myself in the position of causing a failure or
success
> of any individual based on what type of day I am having. I think there
are
> probably plenty of people who fail and all based on their own merits,
without
> anyone else's help to push them in that direction. But on the other side
of
> that coin, to encourage someone and to help them succeed and by offering
> genuine help, would also refresh every ones memory in basic concepts which
> harms noone, and hurts noone's feelings. And that is a very important
factor.
> And the last thing, I enjoy reading all responses and all questions, as
this
> in itself is usually a learning experience which I consider beneficial.
> Heated responses dampen then. Absolutely no benefit is served.
>
> Jennifer Cribbs
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >===== Original Message From "Robert Borejszo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =====
> >Way to go Adrian.... Wow, I wish I could put post like yours together.
> >
> >Robert
> >
> >"Adrian Chew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >8v52mu$fcb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8v52mu$fcb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Gee... must have been a really bad day huh? Can't say I disagree with
> >> what's been said though - there's a pretty big pipeline of people
waiting
> >> for lab exam openings and from rumors heard of people getting throw out
> >> halfway through day one - there's more than enough attempts made
without
> >any
> >> hope of succeeding.
> >>
> >> The part that troubles me most is those newbie CCNPs or CCIE writtens
who
> >> have no idea what they're in for next. If you ask me, having finished
> >your
> >> CCNP/CCDP/CCIE written is like 20% of the battle - the rest is yet to
> >come!
> >> It can be done - with practice, patience, practice, experience,
practice,
> >> study - and most important of all - TIME! And if you contrast it to
elite
> >> atheletes who train a couple of hours a day for a lifetime, you gotta
> >> actually admit the CCIE is actually less demanding.
> >>
> >> And if you needed a whole bunch of test questions and exam prep tools
such
> >> as Boson for those written tests, KIV the CCIE - you'll save yourself a
> >lot
> >> of grief and leave one extra spot available for someone else who stands
a
> >> decent shot at it. Each CCNP/CCDP level test should be passable by
just
> >> reading a book, and having had some hands on with Cisco equipment (say
20%
> >> of job over 2 years in some network admin position). The CCIE written
> >> should only need a bit of brushing up here and there after on some
topics.
> >>
> >> You can try to memorize concepts and get certified - but lack of
> >> understanding will be a sure killer for the CCIE lab, and you'll never
be
> >> the sharpest engineer out there. For those people who are starting out
> >and
> >> struggling with subnetting and VLSM, networking likely isn't the line
for
> >> you. For those who've gotten past CCNP/CCDP - stop, think twice,
before
> >you
> >> embark for the CCIE. I have a friend who started out more than two
years
> >> ago for the CCIE, he's got his CCNP, passed his CCIE written, but is
> >holding
> >> off the lab - he knows he's not ready. And that's not to say he's not
> >> sharp, he's got an engineering background, is the lead Cisco tech in
his
> >> company, but he's got a girlfriend and life and time he'd rather spend
> >doing
> >> other stuff as well besides preparing for the lab.
> >>
> >> Let's face it - the CCIE isn't for everyone. Unfortunately the hype
has
> >> gathered a bunch of money hungry certification crazy folks into the
race.
> >> Thankfully - it simply cannot be done without putting in the requisite
> >> effort - you would have to work very hard at trying to cheat to pass
the
> >> CCIE lab - so hard, that its just like having worked/studied for it
> >(hehe!).
> >> Fortunately, for those who dig it - the CCIE can be a very in-depth
> >> fulfilling lifetime experience - Cisco technology is full of neat
> >surprises
> >> and tricks, and the world just needs more and more of us.
> >>
> >> Chuck, hang it there - it can be tough going, but someday soon.
Thought
> >for
> >> the future - all IT certifications should be lab based... a one day
CCNP
> >> lab exam, 1/2 day CCNA lab exam - and make the MCSE a 2-day lab, that
will
> >> sure weed out the thousands of paper MSCEs!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Adrian
> >>
> >> ""Chuck Larrieu"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> 004201c050d7$031878a0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:004201c050d7$031878a0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> > WARNING: The following is a bit heated.
> >> >
> >> > YOU MAY WANT TO SKIP THIS ONE
> >> >
> >> > R
> >> >
> >> > A
> >> >
> >> > N
> >> >
> >> > T
> >> >
> >> > A
> >> >
> >> > N
> >> >
> >> > D
> >> >
> >> > R
> >> >
> >> > A
> >> >
> >> > V
> >> >
> >> > E
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > OK. Steam coming out of ears. I've been trying to avoid comment on a
> >> number
> >> > of these kinds of questions, but this does it.
> >> >
> >> > IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THE F*****ING WORK, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU
> >> DESERVE
> >> > TO BECOME A F*******ING CCIE???????????
> >> >
> >> > The certification is Cisco Certified Internetworking
EXPERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >> > It is NOT Cisco Certified Internetworking SLACKER!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >> > THERE ARE NOT SHORTCUTS!!!!!!!! DO THE DAMN WORK, OR GIVE IT
UP!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, but there are far too many unqualified people clogging the
> >> pipelines,
> >> > for training classes and for the Lab itself. The certification is
hard
> >to
> >> > achieve for a reason. GET IT??????
> >> >
> >> > My apologies for losing my temper, but I am getting pretty tired of
> >> spending
> >> > all my spare moments in certification related activities while at the
> >same
> >> > time seeing this kind of stuff coming across all the Cisco lists.
> >> >
> >> > RANT AND RAVE
> >> >
> >> > Chuck
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
Of
> >> > Hubert Pun
> >> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:24 PM
> >> > To: Cisco Study Group
> >> > Subject: Lab exam
> >> >
> >> > Any one know what to expect on the lab exam?
> >> > for example, out of 100 points
> >> > how many points are BGP?
> >> > how many points are SNA or DLSw?
> >> > how many points are IPX?
> >> > how many points are OSPF? (is it still 20?)
> >> > how many points are Catalyst?
> >> > what equipment to expect? (according to the website below, there will
> >> > only be 2500, 3600, 4000 and Cat 5k)
> >> > how many points are ATM?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I have taken a look into http://www.ccbootcamp.com/ccielab.htm and I
am
> >> > not sure how update the info is.
> >> >
> >> > Where else can I find the mark distribution for the lab? (i know
that
> >> > the Cisco blue print does not really have the mark distribution)
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> >
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