I read it very carefully which is why I replied.
And it's always easy to say let's stop this thread here when another reply
doesn't suit you.
You quoted my "break the law" comment as if it was wrong to do so and all I
have said is that normal people in this day and age know that such activity
is illegal - not just with programs/CDs but most other things you actually
pay for. Your general comments about how you have done it and probably how
we all have done it supports my comment on "Everybody does it so it's ok".
If you have done it how can you say you're opposed to it? (at least
publicly), in a debate/discussion you can't have it both ways.
If your comments were aimed at the "looser" poster it would have been nice
if you attached your reply to that post or at least qualified your remarks.
I am very opposed to the "benefit of the doubt" idea (not your comment) as
that says to me that the general techie population isn't very aware of the
very basic protections afforded original work.
I don't believe that is the case. Especially in this forum where just about
everyone knows what products are out there and who they benefit and
especially who created them. Although this is a large list, the technology
we represent is a specialized niche and we all know each other (almost).
Finally, if you can't stand the fire - don't jump in.
Kevin Wigle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher J. Dosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: re:cciebootcamp
> I guess you didn't read my e-mail very carefully, I said "I DON'T agree
> with the illegal pirating of software or other material." I too have
> invested thousands of dollars in my training and certifications. Where
did
> you see "Everybody does it so it's ok" I don't see that anywhere. Further
> more the personal attack statement was directed to the quote "Looser" that
> was from someone else! Sorry for the misunderstanding. I just think we
> shouldn't be so quick to lash out at people, what would have been wrong
with
> a simple explanation of the license agreement and a "this could get you
into
> trouble" statement. Anyway enough of this thread, lets move on to the
real
> reason were here, helping one another get through the lab and everyday
> troubleshooting.
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Kevin Wigle
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 10:23 PM
> To: Christopher J. Dosch; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: re:cciebootcamp
>
>
> I was going to pass on this thread but since you insist by quoting me.
>
> Try to think a bit further than "everybody does it so its ok". If that
was
> mans credo where would we be now? Why bother having laws at all?
>
> Why bother working hard to accomplish something if someone else can just
buy
> it, or trade for it?
>
> I suppose you agree with students buying term papers too, or people buying
> these "university degrees" through the mail, or falsifying your resume.
> Where does it stop?
>
> The cciebootcamp material aside, it is plain for most thinking people that
> this type of behavior robs the authors of the income they need to continue
> to provide quality material.
>
> In the Cisco community, we need quality material to meet the demands of a
> difficult curriculum.
>
> Cheapening the worth of the materials we need to make that difficult
journey
> only serves to cheapen the certification process. It is one thing to
depend
> on the CCIE lab to keep the pretenders at bay but why should we encourage
> them along the way? Who wants to wear letters like CCDP/CCNP if they have
> become worthless?
>
> And just what was the personal attack I am being accused of anyway? By
> merely stating that the activity would be illegal - is a personal attack?
> My God! quick! empty the jails!!
>
> Kevin Wigle
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher J. Dosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 November, 2000 19:45
> Subject: RE: re:cciebootcamp
>
>
> > I agree with Laurel, personal attacks should be avoided! I DON'T agree
> > with the illegal pirating of software or other material but I will have
to
> > admit, I'm guilty in some form or another, whether it be a friend that
> just
> > gave me a copy of some software, or I burned a CD for a backup copy. I
> > would also be willing to bet these people who publicly attack others for
> > "breaking the law" have also illegally burned a couple of CD's or some
> other
> > form of material! I think we all have in some way or another!
> >
> > My $.02
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Laurel Redd
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:59 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: re:cciebootcamp
> >
> >
> > Yeah that and distributing copies of burned software, making copies of
> music
> > to give to friends. Hey we all make mistakes. Maybe this person didn't
> > know I sure didn't. I personally elect to give the benifit of the
doubt.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Laurel Redd, CCNA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 12:03 PM
> > Subject: re:cciebootcamp
> >
> >
> > > It always amazes me that people will openly advertise to break the
law.
> > >
> > > I intend to purchase these labs in the new year and I have read the
> > > "license"
> > >
> > > This would break the purchase agreement.
> > >
> > > Kevin Wigle
> > >
> > > "Steven Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > 8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Does anyone has the cciebootcamp practice lab scenario? If yes, want
> to
> > > > trade ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > > lee
>
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