Mr. Dosch-
I've dealt with Kevin Wigle in the past and I can honestly say he is the
biggest jackass I've ever had a conversation with. He will never admit that
he was ever wrong in any way. It is best to end this, because jerk offs like
him waste time of people that logical thinking patterns. BTW EVERYONE has
copied something illegally, who hasn't dubbed a tape or recorded something
on TV?
""Kevin Wigle"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
007b01c05577$290904e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:007b01c05577$290904e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I read it very carefully which is why I replied.
>
> And it's always easy to say let's stop this thread here when another reply
> doesn't suit you.
>
> You quoted my "break the law" comment as if it was wrong to do so and all
I
> have said is that normal people in this day and age know that such
activity
> is illegal - not just with programs/CDs but most other things you actually
> pay for. Your general comments about how you have done it and probably
how
> we all have done it supports my comment on "Everybody does it so it's ok".
> If you have done it how can you say you're opposed to it? (at least
> publicly), in a debate/discussion you can't have it both ways.
>
> If your comments were aimed at the "looser" poster it would have been nice
> if you attached your reply to that post or at least qualified your
remarks.
>
> I am very opposed to the "benefit of the doubt" idea (not your comment) as
> that says to me that the general techie population isn't very aware of the
> very basic protections afforded original work.
>
> I don't believe that is the case. Especially in this forum where just
about
> everyone knows what products are out there and who they benefit and
> especially who created them. Although this is a large list, the
technology
> we represent is a specialized niche and we all know each other (almost).
>
> Finally, if you can't stand the fire - don't jump in.
>
> Kevin Wigle
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher J. Dosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:30 AM
> Subject: RE: re:cciebootcamp
>
>
> > I guess you didn't read my e-mail very carefully, I said "I DON'T agree
> > with the illegal pirating of software or other material." I too have
> > invested thousands of dollars in my training and certifications. Where
> did
> > you see "Everybody does it so it's ok" I don't see that anywhere.
Further
> > more the personal attack statement was directed to the quote "Looser"
that
> > was from someone else! Sorry for the misunderstanding. I just think we
> > shouldn't be so quick to lash out at people, what would have been wrong
> with
> > a simple explanation of the license agreement and a "this could get you
> into
> > trouble" statement. Anyway enough of this thread, lets move on to the
> real
> > reason were here, helping one another get through the lab and everyday
> > troubleshooting.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Kevin Wigle
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 10:23 PM
> > To: Christopher J. Dosch; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: re:cciebootcamp
> >
> >
> > I was going to pass on this thread but since you insist by quoting me.
> >
> > Try to think a bit further than "everybody does it so its ok". If that
> was
> > mans credo where would we be now? Why bother having laws at all?
> >
> > Why bother working hard to accomplish something if someone else can just
> buy
> > it, or trade for it?
> >
> > I suppose you agree with students buying term papers too, or people
buying
> > these "university degrees" through the mail, or falsifying your resume.
> > Where does it stop?
> >
> > The cciebootcamp material aside, it is plain for most thinking people
that
> > this type of behavior robs the authors of the income they need to
continue
> > to provide quality material.
> >
> > In the Cisco community, we need quality material to meet the demands of
a
> > difficult curriculum.
> >
> > Cheapening the worth of the materials we need to make that difficult
> journey
> > only serves to cheapen the certification process. It is one thing to
> depend
> > on the CCIE lab to keep the pretenders at bay but why should we
encourage
> > them along the way? Who wants to wear letters like CCDP/CCNP if they
have
> > become worthless?
> >
> > And just what was the personal attack I am being accused of anyway? By
> > merely stating that the activity would be illegal - is a personal
attack?
> > My God! quick! empty the jails!!
> >
> > Kevin Wigle
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christopher J. Dosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 November, 2000 19:45
> > Subject: RE: re:cciebootcamp
> >
> >
> > > I agree with Laurel, personal attacks should be avoided! I DON'T
agree
> > > with the illegal pirating of software or other material but I will
have
> to
> > > admit, I'm guilty in some form or another, whether it be a friend that
> > just
> > > gave me a copy of some software, or I burned a CD for a backup copy.
I
> > > would also be willing to bet these people who publicly attack others
for
> > > "breaking the law" have also illegally burned a couple of CD's or some
> > other
> > > form of material! I think we all have in some way or another!
> > >
> > > My $.02
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > Laurel Redd
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:59 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: re:cciebootcamp
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah that and distributing copies of burned software, making copies of
> > music
> > > to give to friends. Hey we all make mistakes. Maybe this person
didn't
> > > know I sure didn't. I personally elect to give the benifit of the
> doubt.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Laurel Redd, CCNA
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 12:03 PM
> > > Subject: re:cciebootcamp
> > >
> > >
> > > > It always amazes me that people will openly advertise to break the
> law.
> > > >
> > > > I intend to purchase these labs in the new year and I have read the
> > > > "license"
> > > >
> > > > This would break the purchase agreement.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin Wigle
> > > >
> > > > "Steven Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > 8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Does anyone has the cciebootcamp practice lab scenario? If yes,
want
> > to
> > > > > trade ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > lee
> >
>
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