to the extent that it counts, i'd have to vote that mastering
implementations of similar technologies by different vendors and
opportunities to explore interoperability rarely hurt one's opportunities
to begin grasping the miracle by which bit patterns emanating from one
digital computing device magically appear inbound on a remote digital
computing device.

as the most recent post pointed out, it's even easier to identify the
aspects of a routing protocol's behavior that are necessary for standards
conformance and distinguish them from vendor specific quirks. another
example would refer to the differences in both vendor's approach to
incrementing the metric between hops.

it used to be the case that bay was perceived as having a significant
hardware performance edge. it seems as if cisco has made steps towards
bridging that gap.

it used to be the case that cisco was perceived as having a significant
software usability edge. it seems as if cisco has made steps towards
bridging that gap.

in defense of the TI interface, although many cisco counterparts yield
better information, anyone not afraid of unixesque scripting may write &
implement their own commands on the RS platform. additionally, bay CLI
access provides snmp get & set commands.

i can say from experience that preparing for certification by each vendor
has led me to grapple with material to an extent not necessary to pass the
other vendor's tests.

a frustrating part of pursuing the nncse is that the quality of questions
range from thought-provoking and worth the effort to "give me my $1.28
back"

in terms of real-life benefit and the alleged honor and glory of
industry-specific letters by your name, the more vendors the better.

acapitally yours,









"Raul F. Fernandez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@groupstudy.com on 12/26/2000
12:05:18 PM

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Subject:  Re: Or Nortel? Re: Easy ML? Re:MCSE OR CCNA


Sammi,

I also have done extensive study of the CISCO IOS and I am studyng for =
the lab as we speak.
I work in an environment where not only do I troubleshoot CISCO( about =
90%) but the rest
is split up mostly by Bay and then a small amount of Motorola FRADS. =
Anyway, BAY at first
was a shock to the system since there IOS is a cross between DOS and MIB =
city. I have gotten
comfortable with MIBs on BAY now, specially doing stat caps, but I have =
also learned to use=20
site manager which is a good tool for Bays. In the process, I went ahead =
and  got the low level cert for=20
Bays(Certified Support Specialist). Basically, I first saw this as a =
curse because I had no interest in anything but CISCO IOS,
but in reality there are many large companies in perticular one =
automotive company
that use all BAY. This experience has gotten me into an environment of =
further learning and
of experimentation. Especially debugging OSPF problems between CISCO =
routers and
BAY. BAY products are good, but on CLI are not perticularly friendly =
unless you are=20
willing to spend time on it. Once you get to learning the CLI is is =
powerful. BAY
has some very good solutions out there. Do not abandon CISCO but
also stive to increase your knowledge of  NORTEL. Anyway, NORTEL does =
not
have all its eggs in routers. CISCO IOS is in my humble opinion =
superior. But NORTEL
has nice stuff cooking up. The person I replaced went to NORTEL and he =
was=20
CISCO savvy ...has passed the written and had extensive troubleshooting
skill being a member of the ATS group here where I work. But he got an
offer he could not refuse...off he went. I believe NORTEL right now is =
doing alot of this
and looking for CISCO folks who are good because they can figure they =
can retrain.
I have no interest myself in NORTEL at this time but after my CCIE is =
done
I dont rule it out. Its an excellent company to work for and an industry =
leader.
I am personally holding out for CISCO....hahah will see. Anyway, good =
luck.
I know the guy I replaced, who works for NORTEL, is very happy there and =
he is getting
much training...take advantage of it.

Sincerely,

Raul

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