Have to agree with both posts here. The method that
you outline to achieve CCIE status i.e taking all the
courses etc, I think you would achieve CCIE status,
however, you would still be missing real world
experience.
This could be termed a 'paper' CCIE although you would
obviously be very valuable to the industry.
I know that some Support Companies put their staff
through training for CCIE in as little as 6 months,
however, personally that badge is not for me.
I think it comes down to the industries expectations
of CCIE status versus your own.
HTH,
Regards,
Phil.
--- Chuck Larrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Being
at the point in my studies where pure terror
> is setting in, I would
> say that one very important component of preparation
> is the actual
> configuration and troubleshooting on real routers,
> configuring "real"
> scenarios. The books aren't helpful here. The
> thought process is very
> important. Seeing the results of operations via the
> show and debug commands,
> and understanding what those outputs are saying, is
> every bit as critical as
> understanding how to configure OSPF over a frame
> relay multipoint interface.
> Understanding the implications of your choices is
> every bit as important as
> getting a network to router packets so you can ping
> interfaces.
>
> I find the biggest problem I am facing is the
> changing of the mindset. In my
> job, I design networks for customers. It is
> straightforward and practical
> work. I would never create a design like some of
> the things I am seeing in
> the practice labs. This is the mindset that I think
> must be changed. Like a
> chess master, a CCIE must always be thinking 10
> moves ahead. This kind of
> mindset comes only from extensive hands on. I agree
> that it is not
> necessarily OTJ that creates the mindset. I agree
> that extensive practice
> with scenarios from fatkid or ccbootcamp of Mentor
> Vlabs can provide that
> training.
>
> Check out www.chuck.to/CCIEAdvice.htm for good
> preparation advice from
> successful CCIE's , including that of the author
> below, whose advice I have
> always found worth considering.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Peter Van Oene
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:45 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Need your opinion
>
> I have to slightly disagree. CCIE is a test, pure
> and simple. It actually
> doesn't relate much at all to real world experience.
> When would you rush
> like a maniac to build a superfluously complex
> network in 12 hours with only
> limited guidelines and then have it maliciously
> tampered with while you eat
> lunch only to come back and fix it in 4 hours? CCIE
> is all about knowing
> the intricacies of protocols and Cisco's
> implementation of them and being
> able to efficiently configure and troubleshoot them
> under immense pressure
> (mostly from not wanting to come back and do it
> again).
>
> What Henry is missing is pure hands on router time.
> You simply have to
> practise your configuration routine for the basics
> over and over until you
> do it in your sleep. (this is true actually,
> you'll know your ready when
> you dream about IOS and have nightmares about routes
> missing from your table
> when everything looks right in the config) Rack
> time at ccbootcamp or
> similar might fill in the blanks here.
>
> Pete
>
>
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>
> On 1/10/2001 at 11:53 AM Robert Nelson-Cox wrote:
>
> >>From: Henry D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: Henry D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: Need your opinion
> >>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 03:28:47 -0800 (PST)
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>Need your opinion here. Currently I'm (quite
> paper)
> >>CCNP. I don't have home lab nor any OSPF and BGP
> real
> >>world experience. I have limited experience in
> frame
> >>relay, RIP, EIGRP. Now if I take all CCIE related
> >>courses (OSPF & BGP workshop, ECP1, CCIE
> preparation
> >>training from horizon-mts, Cvoice, CATM, etc, take
> one
> >>week CCIE prep lab), and spare 3 times lab exams,
> what
> >>do you think of my chance to become CCIE ?
> >
> >You'll probably fly the written part, then get shot
> down in flames during
> >the lab.
> >
> >The CCIE is about real-life experience, and you
> can't do the lab without
> it.
> >
> >>Thank's for any input.
> >
> >Anytime
> >
> >Rob./
> >
> >>
> >>
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