I beg to differ....There is no such thing as a paper CCIE, not with the
hands-on lab to back up the written. The lab in and of itself separates the
Book Smart from the Packet Jockeys.
Cheers,
Lance
>From: Phil Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Phil Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Chuck Larrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Need your opinion
>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:45:50 +0000 (GMT)
>
>Have to agree with both posts here. The method that
>you outline to achieve CCIE status i.e taking all the
>courses etc, I think you would achieve CCIE status,
>however, you would still be missing real world
>experience.
>This could be termed a 'paper' CCIE although you would
>obviously be very valuable to the industry.
>
>I know that some Support Companies put their staff
>through training for CCIE in as little as 6 months,
>however, personally that badge is not for me.
>
>I think it comes down to the industries expectations
>of CCIE status versus your own.
>
>
>HTH,
>
>Regards,
>
>Phil.
>
>--- Chuck Larrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Being
>at the point in my studies where pure terror
> > is setting in, I would
> > say that one very important component of preparation
> > is the actual
> > configuration and troubleshooting on real routers,
> > configuring "real"
> > scenarios. The books aren't helpful here. The
> > thought process is very
> > important. Seeing the results of operations via the
> > show and debug commands,
> > and understanding what those outputs are saying, is
> > every bit as critical as
> > understanding how to configure OSPF over a frame
> > relay multipoint interface.
> > Understanding the implications of your choices is
> > every bit as important as
> > getting a network to router packets so you can ping
> > interfaces.
> >
> > I find the biggest problem I am facing is the
> > changing of the mindset. In my
> > job, I design networks for customers. It is
> > straightforward and practical
> > work. I would never create a design like some of
> > the things I am seeing in
> > the practice labs. This is the mindset that I think
> > must be changed. Like a
> > chess master, a CCIE must always be thinking 10
> > moves ahead. This kind of
> > mindset comes only from extensive hands on. I agree
> > that it is not
> > necessarily OTJ that creates the mindset. I agree
> > that extensive practice
> > with scenarios from fatkid or ccbootcamp of Mentor
> > Vlabs can provide that
> > training.
> >
> > Check out www.chuck.to/CCIEAdvice.htm for good
> > preparation advice from
> > successful CCIE's , including that of the author
> > below, whose advice I have
> > always found worth considering.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > Peter Van Oene
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:45 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Need your opinion
> >
> > I have to slightly disagree. CCIE is a test, pure
> > and simple. It actually
> > doesn't relate much at all to real world experience.
> > When would you rush
> > like a maniac to build a superfluously complex
> > network in 12 hours with only
> > limited guidelines and then have it maliciously
> > tampered with while you eat
> > lunch only to come back and fix it in 4 hours? CCIE
> > is all about knowing
> > the intricacies of protocols and Cisco's
> > implementation of them and being
> > able to efficiently configure and troubleshoot them
> > under immense pressure
> > (mostly from not wanting to come back and do it
> > again).
> >
> > What Henry is missing is pure hands on router time.
> > You simply have to
> > practise your configuration routine for the basics
> > over and over until you
> > do it in your sleep. (this is true actually,
> > you'll know your ready when
> > you dream about IOS and have nightmares about routes
> > missing from your table
> > when everything looks right in the config) Rack
> > time at ccbootcamp or
> > similar might fill in the blanks here.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
> >
> > On 1/10/2001 at 11:53 AM Robert Nelson-Cox wrote:
> >
> > >>From: Henry D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>Reply-To: Henry D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Subject: Need your opinion
> > >>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 03:28:47 -0800 (PST)
> > >>
> > >>Hi all,
> > >>
> > >>Need your opinion here. Currently I'm (quite
> > paper)
> > >>CCNP. I don't have home lab nor any OSPF and BGP
> > real
> > >>world experience. I have limited experience in
> > frame
> > >>relay, RIP, EIGRP. Now if I take all CCIE related
> > >>courses (OSPF & BGP workshop, ECP1, CCIE
> > preparation
> > >>training from horizon-mts, Cvoice, CATM, etc, take
> > one
> > >>week CCIE prep lab), and spare 3 times lab exams,
> > what
> > >>do you think of my chance to become CCIE ?
> > >
> > >You'll probably fly the written part, then get shot
> > down in flames during
> > >the lab.
> > >
> > >The CCIE is about real-life experience, and you
> > can't do the lab without
> > it.
> > >
> > >>Thank's for any input.
> > >
> > >Anytime
> > >
> > >Rob./
> > >
> > >>
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