Not so sure about the CCIE track.  I've heard that Cisco intends to keep it 
at a different level from the other tracks.
BTW, I've never met a CCIE who didn't know his stuff.  Is there such a 
creature?

Craig

At 08:22 AM 1/14/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I've heard expert, meaning knowlegable and very experienced, CCIEs say
>*exactly* the same thing about other CCIEs after interviews... i.e., "don't
>understand or can't explain basic concepts."  These people aren't morons,
>some folks just have different goals and views concerning their CCIE and
>networking carrers.
>
>I'd say that it's all very relative, some people have a passion for what
>they do and others don't.  Being that I just went through the entire 2.0
>CCNP track, I do agree that it was easier than I expected and the assessment
>that this "easement" is "sales driven," is probably very accurate.
>
>Nonetheless, I still hold a certain amount of respect for anyone
>successfully passing the CCIE certification - it's just not easy!  I believe
>that Cisco will soon "soften" the CCIE track as well - this is already
>becoming evident in the multi-rating CCIE system.
>
>my pennies
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Craig Columbus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 7:47 AM
>Subject: Re: CCNP 2.0 completed and is a joke!!!
>
>
> > I haven't taken any of the 2.0 exams, but those I've spoken to who've
>taken
> > 1.0 and 2.0 concur with your assessment.  Why did Cisco "dumb-down" the
> > tests?  Probably because they're trying to find that delicate balance
> > between having enough certified people in the field to help sell their
> > products and making the tests just difficult enough to ensure that the
> > certified people aren't complete morons.  Remember, Cisco isn't creating
> > certifications to help our careers...they're creating the certifications
>to
> > drive their product placement in the marketplace.  If it's hard to find
> > someone "certified" to maintain the equipment, a customer isn't as likely
> > to buy the product.  Personally, I'd love to see Cisco make the exams much
> > more difficult, but I can't see that it will ever happen.
> > The new CCNP track has made my job more difficult.  I can no longer take
> > the CCNP cert to mean that the candidate actually knows anything about
> > networking.  Therefore, all my candidates now get a comprehensive tech
> > interview.  You'd be surprised the number of CCNPs that can't explain
>basic
> > subnetting or the differences between distance-vector and link-state
>protocols.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > At 04:55 AM 1/13/2001 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Hi there,
> > >
> > >I completed my CCNP 2.0 on 3rd Jan. 2001 (scores between 82-89%) within a
> > >space of 6 weeks.
> > >
> > >I feel the high standard from CCNP 1.0 to CCNP 2.0 exams has dropped
> > >considerably.  I failed my ACRC exam back in August and was forced to
> > >abandon it due to the expiry date.  ACRC was a good standard exam.  That
>was
> > >the true level of testing!  The passing score for the old CCNP 1.0 exams
>was
> > >79%, whilst now (for CCNP 2.0) it's a sheepishly low 69%.
> > >
> > >I managed to pass the new BSCN and CIT exams in under three weeks without
> > >ANY prior Cisco experience.  I feel the passing score should be increased
>to
> > >79% instead if 69%, otherwise CCNP 2.0 will end up flooding the market
>and
> > >decreasing it's value like Microsoft exams.
> > >
> > >I don't feel Cisco should be dropping their standards in Professional
> > >Certifications.
> > >
> > >Just my thoughts...What do you guys reckon?
> > >
> > >Regards.
> > >Ashfaq
> > >
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