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<P>you know.......</P>
<P>When i started in computer`s the ZX81 was classed as "GROOVY"</P>
<P>...and the IOS had no bugs in it !!!!!!!!!</P>
<P>AGE = UNIMPORTANT<BR>EXPERIENCE = EVERYTHING</P>
<P>LIST = FRIENDS<BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<DIV></DIV>>To: "'Denis A. Baldwin'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<DIV></DIV>>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: what is the average age of people in this stuff?
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:43:23 -0000
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I agree with that point. I work in a company and i always find them
saying i
<DIV></DIV>>am not experienced enough. I started of at 17.5 years and i am 22 now.
I
<DIV></DIV>>have my cne(4.11 and 5) MCSE(not that it's valid that much), Master
<DIV></DIV>>CNE,CCNA,CCDA,CCNP and CCIE written is almost complete. I have designed
and
<DIV></DIV>>implemented networks consisting with upto 20 GSR and 10 6509, and done
a lot
<DIV></DIV>>on the troubleshooting area as a testing engineer. I have used
equipment
<DIV></DIV>>from smartbits to generate specific protocols traffic and see the
network
<DIV></DIV>>effects and much much more. But my manager says that he knows how
capable i
<DIV></DIV>>am and only gives me basic paper work like get this signed and finish
the
<DIV></DIV>>document etc. If i provide any solution they say i do not understand
whats
<DIV></DIV>>going on currently. And can you guess which company this is !!!! look
at my
<DIV></DIV>>email address and that should be enough.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Any way i am moving to somewhere where they understand that i am ok and
will
<DIV></DIV>>not be doing pure paper work.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Jayesh Patel
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>-----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
<DIV></DIV>>Denis A. Baldwin
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: 26 February 2001 18:32
<DIV></DIV>>To: 'Robert Padjen'; 'Dale Frohman'; 'Mel Chandler PMI'
<DIV></DIV>>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: what is the average age of people in this stuff?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I find myself in much of the same situation Dale is in. At 20, I am
busting
<DIV></DIV>>with energy most of the time. I know how to fix the problems and I have
the
<DIV></DIV>>desire to, but I often get the "you're not old enough and experienced
<DIV></DIV>>enough" excuse from people who haven't seen my work. A lot of people
assume
<DIV></DIV>>that experience and ability comes with age. I agree with that point to
a
<DIV></DIV>>degree. However, I know a lot of teenagers who are brilliant and a lot
of
<DIV></DIV>>people in their 40s who don't have sense enough to get out of the rain.
:-)
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Denis
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Denis A. Baldwin - Network Administrator
<DIV></DIV>>A+ / Network + / I-Net+ / MCP
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>-----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
<DIV></DIV>>Robert Padjen
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 1:17 PM
<DIV></DIV>>To: Dale Frohman; Mel Chandler PMI
<DIV></DIV>>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: what is the average age of people in this stuff?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Contrary to Mr. Reagan, sometimes youth is a positive.
<DIV></DIV>>I have two years on Mel, and I'm just finally getting
<DIV></DIV>>out of the 'you're so young...' Govern your enthusiasm
<DIV></DIV>>and impatience in meetings and kick (*$.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>--- Dale Frohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> > If they think you are young, they will probably
<DIV></DIV>> > think I am still a baby
<DIV></DIV>> > being only 19. I have my CCNA, 1/4 CCNP and
<DIV></DIV>> > actively seeking MCSE 2k. I
<DIV></DIV>> > also have an AA degree and also seeking my bachelor
<DIV></DIV>> > degree in computer
<DIV></DIV>> > science. I plan on getting my CCIE within the next
<DIV></DIV>> > few years. I have
<DIV></DIV>> > worked with an internet company for more than three
<DIV></DIV>> > years now. I have
<DIV></DIV>> > been told that I am impatient and immature, but I am
<DIV></DIV>> > not one to just sit
<DIV></DIV>> > around. If anyone can help me dispel some of these
<DIV></DIV>> > notions I would be
<DIV></DIV>> > greatly thankful. Also if someone veterans can give
<DIV></DIV>> > some pointers/tips on
<DIV></DIV>> > how to make it in this industry, that would also be
<DIV></DIV>> > helpful. I hope all
<DIV></DIV>> > this hard work pays off!
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Dale
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Mel Chandler PMI wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > > I'm 29 and all I ever hear about is how young I am
<DIV></DIV>> > (I guess youth is
<DIV></DIV>> > > automatically associated with inexperience) But
<DIV></DIV>> > I've been around. I've
<DIV></DIV>> > > done a four year tour in the Navy in the Advanced
<DIV></DIV>> > Electronics field as a
<DIV></DIV>> > > Sonar Technician on a Submarine. I've worked for
<DIV></DIV>> > some fortune 500 companies
<DIV></DIV>> > > like Airtouch, IBM, Boeing, AST, Bergen Brunswick.
<DIV></DIV>> > I have some certs to
<DIV></DIV>> > > back me up, but no matter what I do, it just never
<DIV></DIV>> > seems to be enough... Oh
<DIV></DIV>> > > well, maybe after I have a PhD and CCIE I'll get
<DIV></DIV>> > someone to listen to me.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Mel L. Chandler, A+, Network+, MCNE, MCP+I, MCSE,
<DIV></DIV>> > CCNA
<DIV></DIV>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<DIV></DIV>> > > Network Analyst
<DIV></DIV>> > > Information Services
<DIV></DIV>> > > PMI Delta Dental
<DIV></DIV>> > > (562) 467-6627
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> > > From: John Hardman
<DIV></DIV>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
<DIV></DIV>> > > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 9:30 AM
<DIV></DIV>> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<DIV></DIV>> > > Subject: Re: what is the average age of people in
<DIV></DIV>> > this stuff?
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > LOL!
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > I am 36, and have the same problem, thank Cisco
<DIV></DIV>> > that they put a ? in the
<DIV></DIV>> > > IOS.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Don't worry about it, most of the people I work
<DIV></DIV>> > (worked) with in the network
<DIV></DIV>> > > business are between 20-60 with the majority being
<DIV></DIV>> > in their 40's.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > They say that memory is the first thing to go, I
<DIV></DIV>> > just wish would have told
<DIV></DIV>> > > my body that!
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > --
<DIV></DIV>> > > John Hardman CCNP MCSE+I
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > ""rtc"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote in message
<DIV></DIV>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<DIV></DIV>> > > > I'm 40--am I getting too old for this stuff?
<DIV></DIV>> > Cant remember anything worth
<DIV></DIV>> > > a
<DIV></DIV>> > > > damn,
<DIV></DIV>> > > > especially the commands nd command syntax
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
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