>I agree with that point. I work in a company and i always find them saying i
>am not experienced enough. I started of at 17.5 years and i am 22 now. I
>have my cne(4.11 and 5) MCSE(not that it's valid that much), Master
>CNE,CCNA,CCDA,CCNP and CCIE written is almost complete. I have designed and
>implemented networks consisting with upto 20 GSR and 10 6509, and done a lot
>on the troubleshooting area as a testing engineer. I have used equipment
>from smartbits to generate specific protocols traffic and see the network
>effects and much much more. But my manager says that he knows how capable i
>am and only gives me basic paper work like get this signed and finish the
>document etc. If i provide any solution they say i do not understand whats
>going on currently. And can you guess which company this is !!!! look at my
>email address and that should be enough.
It's not clear to me what you mean by paperwork. Lots of paperwork,
I agree, has no function other than killing trees.
But a very real requirement in large organizations is to be able to
communicate your work, your real achievements, to others. That takes
oral and written communications, which are real skills that need to
be honed.
At a fairly early point in my career, I found that there were a lot
of very interesting problems I wanted to work on, but that were
sufficiently complex that one person alone could not solve them. The
solutions needed teams, so, if I wanted to work on such problems, I
needed to learn to communicate within teams. If I wanted to lead
such teams, I also needed to learn to communicate with people outside
the team, both orally and in writing.
In no way does the ability to manage and communicate make me less
technical. It's an additional skill, although I freely admit lots of
managers give up technical competence in favor of organizational
skills. Now, I have no problem saying that I probably don't
configure routers as fast as I once did, because I don't do it every
day. On the other hand, I do less troubleshooting than I once did,
because I have more thoroughly worked-out designs, and I have decent
documentation of what went before. The second step I go through in
tuning an existing network is to get it documented, the first step
being to understand the perceived problems and goals. The third step
often is to sort out the differences between perception and reality.
Even in research on new router products, most of my time is not
hands-on. No matter how good you are on hands-on skill, your career
will eventually stall if you can only work as an individual.
>
>Any way i am moving to somewhere where they understand that i am ok and will
>not be doing pure paper work.
>
>Jayesh Patel
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Denis A. Baldwin
>Sent: 26 February 2001 18:32
>To: 'Robert Padjen'; 'Dale Frohman'; 'Mel Chandler PMI'
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: what is the average age of people in this stuff?
>
>
>I find myself in much of the same situation Dale is in. At 20, I am busting
>with energy most of the time. I know how to fix the problems and I have the
>desire to, but I often get the "you're not old enough and experienced
>enough" excuse from people who haven't seen my work. A lot of people assume
>that experience and ability comes with age. I agree with that point to a
>degree. However, I know a lot of teenagers who are brilliant and a lot of
>people in their 40s who don't have sense enough to get out of the rain. :-)
>
>Denis
>
>
>Denis A. Baldwin - Network Administrator
>A+ / Network + / I-Net+ / MCP
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Robert Padjen
>Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 1:17 PM
>To: Dale Frohman; Mel Chandler PMI
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: what is the average age of people in this stuff?
>
>
>Contrary to Mr. Reagan, sometimes youth is a positive.
>I have two years on Mel, and I'm just finally getting
>out of the 'you're so young...' Govern your enthusiasm
>and impatience in meetings and kick (*$.
>
>
>--- Dale Frohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If they think you are young, they will probably
>> think I am still a baby
>> being only 19. I have my CCNA, 1/4 CCNP and
>> actively seeking MCSE 2k. I
>> also have an AA degree and also seeking my bachelor
>> degree in computer
>> science. I plan on getting my CCIE within the next
>> few years. I have
>> worked with an internet company for more than three
>> years now. I have
>> been told that I am impatient and immature, but I am
>> not one to just sit
>> around. If anyone can help me dispel some of these
>> notions I would be
>> greatly thankful. Also if someone veterans can give
>> some pointers/tips on
>> how to make it in this industry, that would also be
>> helpful. I hope all
>> this hard work pays off!
>>
>> Dale
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Mel Chandler PMI wrote:
>>
>> > I'm 29 and all I ever hear about is how young I am
>> (I guess youth is
>> > automatically associated with inexperience) But
>> I've been around. I've
>> > done a four year tour in the Navy in the Advanced
>> Electronics field as a
>> > Sonar Technician on a Submarine. I've worked for
>> some fortune 500 companies
>> > like Airtouch, IBM, Boeing, AST, Bergen Brunswick.
>> I have some certs to
>> > back me up, but no matter what I do, it just never
>> seems to be enough... Oh
>> > well, maybe after I have a PhD and CCIE I'll get
>> someone to listen to me.
>> >
>> > Mel L. Chandler, A+, Network+, MCNE, MCP+I, MCSE,
> > CCNA
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