1) CCNP and CCDP is a staring point, from the name of the exam, you will
see.
Foundation routing and switching. CCNP/DP just a stepstone to CCIE
2) CCIE can demonstrate the lab and means they can do something.
CCIE is a stepstone to real networking world.
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> I think a person's attitude regarding this situation depends entirely on
> their experience. For me, I began in this field a little over two years
> ago. Starting from scratch, not even knowing what a router was, I looked
up
> to the CCNA certification as something fairly lofty. All I did for months
> was study until my head hurt, and then I'd study some more. I also was
> getting daily hands-on experience at work doing very basic stuff and my
> employer sent me to a few classes that helped out greatly. One of the
> biggest helps was discovering this list! <g>
>
> By the time I got around to taking the test, it was far easier than I
> expected. This was my first Cisco test and I discovered that for a great
> number of questions, one did not need to know the answer, but you simply
had
> to have decent reasoning skills. For me, I had reached a new plateau and
I
> was totally psyched about it. At this point I thought I might never be
able
> to grasp even CCNP-level concepts, as I was just really getting a hold on
> material at my current level. I wasn't content, yet I was glad that I had
> reached one of my first major goals.
>
> It was later, while still a CCNA, that I would interact from time to time
> with other CCNA-level people who had not had the benefit of employer-paid
> classes and hands-on experience. Because I tend to be egocentric and
expect
> everyone to be like me <g> I would sometimes be surprised that they could
> not answer what I thought was a simple question. I began to be concerned
> that the CCNA was really too easy, not remembering how hard I had studied
> for months. That was easy?? It was pretty dang hard at the time!
>
> My concerns grew when I would interact with CCNP-level people who also
could
> not answer questions that I thought they should have known the answers to.
> Now I was worried that CCNP was too easy and I hadn't even gotten there
yet!
> It seemed pretty hard to me at the time and it took me longer to get it
than
> I originally expected.
>
> After finally reaching CCNP and then CCDP, I wasn't as excited as I was
> about getting CCNA. I think at this point, the further we progress the
more
> we realize how much we don't know, especially when faced with the daunting
> CCIE written and lab.
>
> In hindsight, it should be noted that the certification does not make the
> person. There are CCNA-level people out there who are far more advanced
> than I, and there are CCNPs out there who can't troubleshoot their way out
> of a paper sack. I find that this is largely dependent on personal work
> experience. A CCNA with four years experience in a production environment
> is probably going to be more advanced than a CCNP with two years under his
> belt.
>
> When expecting a certain level of knowledge, we should look at both
> certifications as well as the actual experience of the person in question.
>
> Okay, with all of that said, I must agree in part with the original
poster.
> It does concern me sometimes when a CCNP-level person doesn't seem to
> understand a basic CCNA-level concept. I think this is because I'm
worried
> that since I'm also a CCNP, someone might encounter this person and assume
> that the CCNP certification must not mean very much if they don't
understand
> even basic concepts.
>
> In the end, though, I don't know if really matters that much.
> Certifications should never be the final arbiter of a persons abilities.
If
> that were the case, our resumes would be a lot shorter and interviews
would
> be unnecessary. All I can do is strive to make myself a better example of
a
> CCNP (or whatever) and not worry as much about others.
>
> When studying martial arts I learned to stop comparing my progress with
the
> progress of others. Their progress was irrelevant to mine. As long as I
> kept studying and could say that today I am better than I was yesterday,
all
> would be well.
>
> I think that applies here, too.
>
> Thanks for reading my rambling
> John the Wordy
>
> > JUst because u think they dont know nothing, they really dont know
> nothing
> > . Can u post your grades here so that well see how smart u are? If u
> think
> > that you know more than people who are getting CCXX certified then why
> > dont u hurry up and take the lab. Dont u think that these people
should
> be
> > credited for what they have achieved. Cisco is not mystery anymore.
> More
> > and more people will try to learn it. More and more people will produce
> > learning aides, materials that will enables guys to learn as easily as
> > possible. These guys dont have to worry about your opinions after they
> > passed these exams. These guys may even passed the lab before you do.
> And
> > maybe you will come here complaining that Cisco made the lab so easy.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 2:54 AM
> > Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> >
> >
> > >I will probably get yelled at for this one but...
> > >
> > >I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE.
> > >So up front I am not against certs.
> > >
> > >I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming
> > >Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually
> > >do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for
> > >network folks, I have the opportunity to interview
> > >these people to verify technical experience. I have
> > >had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who
> > >could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know.
> > >
> > >
> > >This scares me because I am also working hard toward
> > >my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is
> > >showing up more that these people are becoming "paper"
> > >Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE.
> > >
> > >I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as
> > >difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do
> > >not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE
> > >title to be one among thousands who also have it.
> > >
> > >That is my insite and hope Cisco will
> > >try to make it more difficult to obtain the CCNP/DP
> > >and not become another MCSE program.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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