Hi Vincent, Are you doing job in PSINET? "Vincent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 991juq$b3r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:991juq$b3r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > 1) CCNP and CCDP is a staring point, from the name of the exam, you will > see. > Foundation routing and switching. CCNP/DP just a stepstone to CCIE > > 2) CCIE can demonstrate the lab and means they can do something. > CCIE is a stepstone to real networking world. > > > > "John Neiberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I think a person's attitude regarding this situation depends entirely on > > their experience. For me, I began in this field a little over two years > > ago. Starting from scratch, not even knowing what a router was, I looked > up > > to the CCNA certification as something fairly lofty. All I did for months > > was study until my head hurt, and then I'd study some more. I also was > > getting daily hands-on experience at work doing very basic stuff and my > > employer sent me to a few classes that helped out greatly. One of the > > biggest helps was discovering this list! <g> > > > > By the time I got around to taking the test, it was far easier than I > > expected. This was my first Cisco test and I discovered that for a great > > number of questions, one did not need to know the answer, but you simply > had > > to have decent reasoning skills. For me, I had reached a new plateau and > I > > was totally psyched about it. At this point I thought I might never be > able > > to grasp even CCNP-level concepts, as I was just really getting a hold on > > material at my current level. I wasn't content, yet I was glad that I had > > reached one of my first major goals. > > > > It was later, while still a CCNA, that I would interact from time to time > > with other CCNA-level people who had not had the benefit of employer-paid > > classes and hands-on experience. Because I tend to be egocentric and > expect > > everyone to be like me <g> I would sometimes be surprised that they could > > not answer what I thought was a simple question. I began to be concerned > > that the CCNA was really too easy, not remembering how hard I had studied > > for months. That was easy?? It was pretty dang hard at the time! > > > > My concerns grew when I would interact with CCNP-level people who also > could > > not answer questions that I thought they should have known the answers to. > > Now I was worried that CCNP was too easy and I hadn't even gotten there > yet! > > It seemed pretty hard to me at the time and it took me longer to get it > than > > I originally expected. > > > > After finally reaching CCNP and then CCDP, I wasn't as excited as I was > > about getting CCNA. I think at this point, the further we progress the > more > > we realize how much we don't know, especially when faced with the daunting > > CCIE written and lab. > > > > In hindsight, it should be noted that the certification does not make the > > person. There are CCNA-level people out there who are far more advanced > > than I, and there are CCNPs out there who can't troubleshoot their way out > > of a paper sack. I find that this is largely dependent on personal work > > experience. A CCNA with four years experience in a production environment > > is probably going to be more advanced than a CCNP with two years under his > > belt. > > > > When expecting a certain level of knowledge, we should look at both > > certifications as well as the actual experience of the person in question. > > > > Okay, with all of that said, I must agree in part with the original > poster. > > It does concern me sometimes when a CCNP-level person doesn't seem to > > understand a basic CCNA-level concept. I think this is because I'm > worried > > that since I'm also a CCNP, someone might encounter this person and assume > > that the CCNP certification must not mean very much if they don't > understand > > even basic concepts. > > > > In the end, though, I don't know if really matters that much. > > Certifications should never be the final arbiter of a persons abilities. > If > > that were the case, our resumes would be a lot shorter and interviews > would > > be unnecessary. All I can do is strive to make myself a better example of > a > > CCNP (or whatever) and not worry as much about others. > > > > When studying martial arts I learned to stop comparing my progress with > the > > progress of others. Their progress was irrelevant to mine. As long as I > > kept studying and could say that today I am better than I was yesterday, > all > > would be well. > > > > I think that applies here, too. > > > > Thanks for reading my rambling > > John the Wordy > > > > > JUst because u think they dont know nothing, they really dont know > > nothing > > > . Can u post your grades here so that well see how smart u are? If u > > think > > > that you know more than people who are getting CCXX certified then why > > > dont u hurry up and take the lab. Dont u think that these people > should > > be > > > credited for what they have achieved. Cisco is not mystery anymore. > > More > > > and more people will try to learn it. More and more people will produce > > > learning aides, materials that will enables guys to learn as easily as > > > possible. These guys dont have to worry about your opinions after they > > > passed these exams. These guys may even passed the lab before you do. > > And > > > maybe you will come here complaining that Cisco made the lab so easy. > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mike Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 2:54 AM > > > Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX > > > > > > > > > >I will probably get yelled at for this one but... > > > > > > > >I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the CCIE. > > > >So up front I am not against certs. > > > > > > > >I am becoming aware of more and more people becoming > > > >Cisco certified and not know enough to go and actually > > > >do the work. Our company has and is interviewing for > > > >network folks, I have the opportunity to interview > > > >these people to verify technical experience. I have > > > >had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks who > > > >could not tell me what they 'should' acutally know. > > > > > > > > > > > >This scares me because I am also working hard toward > > > >my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven and is > > > >showing up more that these people are becoming "paper" > > > >Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. > > > > > > > >I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will remain as > > > >difficult if not more so in the future. I for one do > > > >not want to spend a year of my life gaining the CCIE > > > >title to be one among thousands who also have it. > > > > > > > >That is my insite and hope Cisco will > > > >try to make it more difficult to obtain the CCNP/DP > > > >and not become another MCSE program. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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