Priscilla said:  Can someone who has just started
> learning networking, design a network?
---------

I'm only 19, but I wouldn't exactly say that I'm 'new' to networking, and
I'm
sure that other young IT pros are in the same situation as me.  I grew up
networking.  I watched over my dad's shoulder on netware 2.x and 3.x boxes.
I
messed around with old token ring and arcnet networks - i would maybe even
consider myself a lantastic expert (sure, i was only 12 or 13... but you
pick
stuff up quick when you're young).  I guess that my point, is that hardly
any
of us have more than 10 years experience, and many teenagers have had at
least
10 years or more by the time they are working part-time during college (like
myself).  Don't underestimate us - we're young, fast, and we know how to
take
tests! 

My advice to you though, Russ, is don't put up with it.  If an ISP isn't
paying you what you're worth, and you really know your stuff - look into
corporate IT.  Nobody cares how old you are - they want to make sure you are
professional and that you know how to do your job.  So - go design some
networks - and good luck on your next test.

Dave Dyk
Network Operations Unit, Portland Police Bureau
CCNP, CNE, MCSE
503.823.0371
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>>> Jack W. Williams 04/25/01 02:18PM >>>
Nobody who's secure in their talents is "offended" by your age.  It
might be a reminder for some of us
    fogies to stay on our toes, though!

    I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead, Dude.


----- Original Message -----
From: Russ Kreigh 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]


> I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
> controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am
> going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite
a
> bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
> Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
> significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I
am
> just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
> consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
> difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it
> has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.
>
> On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the
next
> month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my
> CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
> experience in my job.
>
> The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young
> doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my
age
> also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't
> really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen
> careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
> co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept
> that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.
>
> -Russ
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
>
>
> I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think
> it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It
> validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has
> just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
> learning networking, design a network?
>
> Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the
> energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
> believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
> amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this
> comment out of prejudice.
>
> Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in
> order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck!
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
> >Hey guys, this is Aaron again.  I failed my CCDA by 37 points.  I made a
> 718
> >and i needed a 755 to pass....  Bah, out 100$..  I did rescedule it for a
> >couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in,
i
> >think i might be able to make this up.  My worst section was WAN
> >Technologies with a 40%.  My best was Network Management with a 100%.  So
i
> >guess i had quite a range of scores.  Anyways, back to the books and
sample
> >tests for me.  Thanks guys.
> >
> >~Aaron Vose
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