I concur. (I love saying that.... )
But what makes it really great is when they recognize that the oldie has
something to teach them.
They don't have to worship the cable that you pull but displaying an
attitude of respect for co-workers goes a long way.
People skills at the senior level normally only come from working with
people, both easy going and difficult. Unfortunately that usually only
comes with time and experience.
Some youthful hopefuls have a hard time grasping that anything could be
"denied" them due to their age. What they don't understand is that it's not
really "age" but the length of experience in everyday and not so everyday
situations that builds the confidence required to take on the tough jobs.
And time is not measured in books read or exams passed but often in years
doing the job.
Unfortunately "length of experience" can be easily be equated to "age".
Kevin Wigle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony van Ree"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April, 2001 20:47
Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
> Hi,
>
> I have a kid sitting alongside me (he just turned 18). At 17 he qualified
> as a CCNA and has some CCNP subjects under his belt. I rely on him for
good
> advice when I'm stuck. What I hope to give him in return is the value of
my
> experience and a way to formulate a methodology in troubleshooting etc.
>
> What this guy lacks is experience. The main issue here is customer
> relations and what to do when the books don't have an answer. By the same
> token what he lacks in experience he makes up for in enthusiasm and
knowlege
> of the technology.
>
> I support young people having a go. That's where most of us started
(young
> that is).
>
> Just a thought
>
> Teunis,
> Hobart, Tasmania
> Australia
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 25, 2001 at 05:18:11 PM, Jack W. Williams wrote:
>
> > Nobody who's secure in their talents is "offended" by your age. It
> > might be a reminder for some of us
> > fogies to stay on our toes, though!
> >
> > I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead,
Dude.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Russ Kreigh
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM
> > Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
> >
> >
> > > I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a
> > > controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore
am
> > > going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have
quite
> > a
> > > bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX,
> > > Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make
> > > significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with
me. I
> > am
> > > just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to
> > > consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a
> > > difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion
of
> it
> > > has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job.
> > >
> > > On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within
the
> > next
> > > month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on
my
> > > CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life
> > > experience in my job.
> > >
> > > The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be
young
> > > doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that
my
> > age
> > > also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I
can't
> > > really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have
> choosen
> > > careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their
> > > co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to
accept
> > > that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job.
> > >
> > > -Russ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I
think
> > > it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA
test.
> It
> > > validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who
has
> > > just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started
> > > learning networking, design a network?
> > >
> > > Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love
the
> > > energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly
> > > believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more
> > > amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make
this
> > > comment out of prejudice.
> > >
> > > Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit
more
> in
> > > order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good
luck!
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > > At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote:
> > > >Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I
made a
> > > 718
> > > >and i needed a 755 to pass.... Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it
for
> a
> > > >couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak
in,
> > i
> > > >think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN
> > > >Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%.
> So
> > i
> > > >guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and
> > sample
> > > >tests for me. Thanks guys.
> > > >
> > > >~Aaron Vose
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