>Open Forum might be more up to speed if your free-time consists of working
>address plans in binary or looking for probability in the pregnant chads of
>Fortran punch cards :o)

There's something wrong with doing address plans in binary?  Best way 
to learn, once you realize you don't have to do all 32 bits in 
binary.  Seriously, when I plan an address structure, and I am 
documenting it, my primary mode is binary, and then converting to 
dotted decimal where appropriate.  Now, when I say planning address 
structures, it often is to say "a /19 here, split into 8 /21 for 
areas".

Not boasting here, but when you've been doing these for what...15 
years or so, I can do a fair bit of subnetting in my head. There are 
tricks, but I wouldn't confuse a beginner with them.

I do miss punch cards, though. Blank punch cards were really great 
for shopping lists.




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