Thanks Enid. And thank Lorne for us.

It is unfortunately rare that I read a post on this forum that is so well
articulated,
polite, and sensible as yours is.

Thanks again,

Jonathan Hays

Enid Sorkowitz wrote:

> I am posting this per Lorne Braddock's request.  Please don't directly
> respond back to me or Lorne because we simply can't reply to everyone
> and don't want to appear disrespectful.
>
> Regards,
>
> Enid Sorkowitz
> Manager, Customer Service
> CCIE Program
>
>
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>
> The CCIE program team at Cisco Systems, Inc. recently announced a
> revised lab exam format and that sparked a good deal of discussion on
> this study group alias.  I personally do not belong to the alias but one
> particular message was brought to my attention because it was not only
> inaccurate, it was potentially damaging.  Someone posted what they
> represented as being valid test score results achieved by Phil Remaker
> and Bruce Caslow during their voluntary review of the our new CCIE lab
> exam format.  Those were NOT valid test scores so the information posted
> by this individual was not only inaccurate and inappropriate, it was
> misleading and had the potential of professionally damaging the two
> individuals he was attributing the scores to.
>
> Because I do not personally belong to this forum, I elected to contact
> the individual who posted the misinformation to make him aware of the
> real facts.  I was careful to explain that I had no problem with
> individuals expressing their personal point of view but, posting
> inappropriate, inaccurate and damaging information about someone else
> was in no ones best interests.  I gave him the facts and asked him to
> post a clarification.  By doing so, he would correct the records, gain
> personal credibility and send a clear signal that facts and not rhetoric
> are important.  He assured me he would consider my request but, for
> reasons known only to him, he apparently decided to let the
> misinformation stand.  I will not.
>
> I am the person who approached Bruce Caslow and Phil Remaker with the
> request that they evaluate our new CCIE lab exam format.  I approached
> them along with a couple of other Internet notables because of their
> reputations and the industry wide credibility they possess.  Both Bruce
> and Phil welcomed the opportunity to conduct such an evaluation because
> they sincerely care about the ongoing reputation and success of the CCIE
> certification program.  Both men willingly donated their time, and good
> names, to this evaluation.  They were also willing to document their
> findings and make them available to the interested public.  In my
> opinion, their's is the kind of activism and involvement that is
> beneficial to all who are and aspire to be CCIE certified.
>
> Bruce and Phil were asked for their opinion on the test's relevance,
> degree of challenge, clarity and overall quality.  I wanted their
> opinion as to whether this test set the proper standard of excellence
> for a CCIE level certification exam.  Was it as good or better than it's
> predecessor?  I told both of them that I did not expect, or want, them
> to take the lab exam for scoring purposes.  It was the new lab exam
> format I wanted evaluated, not them.  The analogy is as if I was asking
> a world class marathoner to jog a new course I mapped out to see if it
> suitable for world class record setting purposes.  Is the course
> challenging enough, is it fair, does it test each athlete thoroughly?
> That's what I wanted their opinion on.  Neither Bruce nor Phil studied
> or prepared in any way other than to clear their calender for the day.
> Of the two of them, Phil was the only one to even mention a score and he
> did so in a self deprecating way.  Bottom line, no valid scores were
> tallied or posted.  No score should be attributed to either one of them.
>
> Lorne Braddock
> Sr. Manager, CCIE Programs
> Cisco Systems
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Jonathan




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