I use decimal shortcuts most of the time as well -- but when I run across something confusing, I'll go back to binary -- it always shows me the way . . . Deb ""John Neiberger"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... | I disagree wholeheartedly with one of those statements. In this | business you never really "arrive" in the first place, so the journey | itself is as important or more important than the destination. You | learn binary subnetting techniques for the same reason students learn | math without calculators. It's important that you really understand what | is occurring if you want to be a good engineer. | | Liken this situation to cars. If you just want to use the tools | without understanding, then you are a driver only. If you want to be a | mechanic and know what's happening under the hood, then you have to | learn the stuff the hard way. | | Back to reality for a bit. As far as subnetting is concerned, it's | very difficult to understand what's happening without learning it in | binary. Once you've learned it, though, it's not really necessary to do | it in binary because you'll have plenty of shortcuts in your head that | bypass--yet still rely on--the binary math you learned previously. | | Just my $.02... | | John | | >>> "Ken" 8/8/01 10:29:45 AM >>> | This is a study group so I have a question for which I need some | education. | I am not looking for a flame war, just education. The question I have | is of | what use is the binary math method of subnetting as compared to just | using a | program that does subnetting? If the point to the exercise is to | produce a | plan for subnetting that can then be entered into each device on the | network | or into a DHCP server setup, what else is achieved by doing this | manually? | It seems to me that the point is not the journey, but the arrival at | the | destination. Indeed arrival as quickly as possible, with the least | source of | error. As Cisco even says; "The purpose of this tool is to provide a | way to | calculate IP subnetting which is fast, easy, and error free. Doing | such | calculations manually is time consuming and susceptible to common | mathematical mistakes, especially in conversions between binary and | decimal | numbers." So what is it I am not understanding? | | | | | Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=15340&t=15340 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]