Tony I sit my written tomorrow at 3pm and if I pass I can't wait to get on
that boring list
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Medeiros"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
> Let's keep the list the same, I my opinion, The mix of cert. posts along
> with the real world stuff make's it interesting. Plus, it give the
higher
> level people a chance to help out their fellow man/women. The CCIE list
has
> gotten so "test" centric it's got boring.
> I like to "take" as well as to "learn"
> Sure your going to get low level questions. Just ignore them and let the
> junior guys get a "trill" out of helping another person
>
> Tony ME.
> #6172.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Larrieu"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:31 AM
> Subject: RE: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
>
>
> > Not that I disagree, Don, but this has been a source of annoyance for
many
> > folks for as long as I've been on the list ( around 2 years. )
> >
> > two points:
> >
> > 1) sometimes some of these work related scenarios provide good learning
> > points
> >
> > 2) people ask these kinds of questions on all the lists, no matter what.
> The
> > CCIE list would get it's fair share of this kind of question as well.
> >
> > without having the list 100% moderated, with all messages being
reviewed,
> > there is no practical way to stop this. and sometimes there is something
> to
> > be learned that is applicable to one's studies.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Donald B Johnson jr
> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:09 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
> >
> >
> > I think that if there is a split, all these questions concerning work
> should
> > be split out. It is supposed to be about group study not group
consulting.
> > Over the time that I have been here there seems to be a growing number
of
> > narrowly worded questions to bail someone out at work, and this
individual
> > doesn't even seem to consult CCO most of the time, even though they are
> > supporting a Cisco platform. The culture here seems to support and
highly
> > respect the intellectual property of others, which I whole-heartedly
> agree,
> > but it shows a lack of respect for those who consult for a living. I
> > personally like giving "so called flames" to people who are looking for
> free
> > consulting work to hide there apparent laziness. Just like everyone
chimes
> > in when someone comes here and tries to sell certzone labs gets blasted.
I
> > wish that blatant " my boss wants me to set up a central frame hub and
six
> > spoke network what should I do" should get blasted or pointed to place
> where
> > people can consult for food. Paul any e-mail that has boss in it should
> get
> > an automated stock reply, check CCO, call cisco, buy gear, have cisco SE
> set
> > it up, have a nice day. Now I know people are going to say that this is
> how
> > they learn by posting real world questions and this is true but it is
the
> > blatant ones that I am talking about. Oh and keep this in mind that the
> > people answering the these so called learning experiences didn't just
know
> > the answer, at some point they had to check CCO, contact Cisco, buy
gear,
> > work with Cisco SE, have a nice day.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 7:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
> >
> >
> > > When I go on vaction I unsubscribe and then subscribe again. Would all
> my
> > > messages go in the moderator's queue when I subscribed again? That
would
> > be
> > > annoying for the moderator (and for me. ;-) Other than that, I think
> it's
> > a
> > > good idea to have messages from a new subscriber go through the
> moderator
> > > for a while. As I'm sure you have considered, it's not a very
"scalable"
> > > idea, though.
> > >
> > > I hope you don't divide the group again. The general networking
> questions
> > > are helpful to those studying for CCNP and CCDP. The diversity of
> messages
> > > (except for the flames, of course) are good for learning and represent
> the
> > > real world better than if we just got questions about passing scores,
> etc.
> > >
> > > Thanks again for all you do for us!
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > > At 12:02 PM 8/17/01, Paul Borghese wrote:
> > > >With an open group, you are going to have your share of noise.
> > Everyone's
> > > >ides of noise is different. For example, to many this very e-mail is
> > noise
> > > >because it is not directly on subject.
> > > >
> > > >But there are some things we can do to help lessen the noise. They
are
> > on
> > > >my to-do list, just have been too busy.:
> > > >
> > > >1. Comprehensive FAQ - we need a new faq that can answer the
questions
> > that
> > > >are asked over and over again.
> > > >
> > > >2. Split out the professional group from the general networking
group.
> > > >
> > > >3. Setup a system where new users can not post directly to the
group -
> > This
> > > >is the most difficult of the three ideas and will require substantial
> > > >coding. What I want is to have a system where when an e-mail arrives
> (or
> > > >from the newsfeed or website), if the poster has not been approved,
it
> > gets
> > > >bounced into the moderators queue. If the moderator (actually we
will
> > have
> > > >many) agrees that the message is appropriate, the moderator will
allow
> > the
> > > >message to pass. Plus if the moderator feels that the poster will
> > continue
> > > >to send interesting and valuable e-mails, the moderator can place the
> > user
> > > >in the "automatic approval" category so future e-mails will not need
to
> > be
> > > >approved. The goal is to bounce new messages from first time
posters,
> > but
> > > >allow the old-timers to post without moderation. Thus filtering the
> new
> > > >user asking inappropriate questions and the occasional spam.
> > > >
> > > >Take care,
> > > >
> > > >Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "John Neiberger"
> > > >To:
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:05 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yes, Paul did do a good job cutting down that traffic. I just
> noticed
> > > > > that in the last month or so there has been a slew of *really*
basic
> > > > > questions that can be answered in the first two or three chapters
of
> > any
> > > > > decent CCNA study guide or by a 30 second search on CCO.
> > > > >
> > > > > I certainly don't mind answering these types of questions, I was
> just
> > > > > concerned that the purpose of the two separate lists was being
> > > > > undermined, causing a lot of unnecessary traffic. To me it's no
> > > > > different than posting jobs on the Associate or Professional
lists.
> > It
> > > > > may reach some of the right people, but it's not the appropriate
> place
> > > > > to post that type of information.
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> "Tom Lisa" 8/15/01 3:19:55 PM >>>
> > > > > Yes, John, there is an Associate list. We have a similar problem
> > > > > there as well. People keep insisting on asking CCNP/CCIE level
> > > > > questions on that list.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, people being the way they are, I doubt we will ever
> > > > > solve the problem completely. But, you got to admit that Paul
> > > > > at least cut down on the volume of CCNA level traffic on this
list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI
> > > > > Community College of Southern Nevada
> > > > > Cisco Regional Networking Academy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John Neiberger wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Excuse me for this rant. I'm not trying to be the content cop,
I
> > > > > just
> > > > > wanted to make an observation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do we no longer have an Associate list as well as the
Professional
> > > > > list? We've been getting horrendous numbers of emails lately
that
> > > > > simply do not belong on this list. If you don't know how to
> connect
> > > > > a
> > > > > PC to a router using the console cable or how to connect two
> routers
> > > > > back-to-back, it seems to me that you should ask those types of
> > > > > questions on the CCNA-level list, not the CCNP-level list.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not intending to come down too hard on people asking these
> > > > > questions, I'm just asking that you post to the appropriate
list.
> > > > > The
> > > > > Associate mailing list is intended for the simpler questions,
> while
> > > > > the
> > > > > Professional list is intended for those with slighly more
advanced
> > > > > questions. I understand that we tend to grant a *lot* of leeway
> > > > > when
> > > > > it
> > > > > comes to subject matter, but the level of the question should
> still
> > > > > be
> > > > > appropriate to the list it's posted to.
> > > > >
> > > > > Okay, enough ranting. :-) Back to our regular programming....
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > John
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > ________________________
> > >
> > > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > > http://www.priscilla.com
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