let me save you the trouble. ;->
1)it is a violation to disclose whether or not ISIS is on the LAB, but you
probably should study it anyway, if only because
2) those /32's in the routing table are supposed to be there when you have
an OSPF network over a frame relay cloud. no, they can't be summarized on
routers connected to the cloud.
3) it is NDA to reveal specifics about the Lab, such as the IOS version. on
the other hand, with Cisco releasing 12.2 these days, one might consider
which IOS versions Cisco might think it important for CCIE's to be familiar
with.
4) there are only so many ways to redistribute a /28 into a /24. check the
archives, as this has been a regular topic of discussion
5) yes, the answers that cc boot camp provides for their labs very often
contain incorrect information. part of the challenge is to figure that out
6) as far as which of the several practice lab packages is "best" that is
subjective
7) the CCIE list archives contain the answers to these and all the questions
that come up on a weekly basis.
Hey, Tony, did I miss any?
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Donald B Johnson jr
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
Tony I sit my written tomorrow at 3pm and if I pass I can't wait to get on
that boring list
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Medeiros"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
> Let's keep the list the same, I my opinion, The mix of cert. posts along
> with the real world stuff make's it interesting. Plus, it give the
higher
> level people a chance to help out their fellow man/women. The CCIE list
has
> gotten so "test" centric it's got boring.
> I like to "take" as well as to "learn"
> Sure your going to get low level questions. Just ignore them and let the
> junior guys get a "trill" out of helping another person
>
> Tony ME.
> #6172.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Larrieu"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:31 AM
> Subject: RE: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
>
>
> > Not that I disagree, Don, but this has been a source of annoyance for
many
> > folks for as long as I've been on the list ( around 2 years. )
> >
> > two points:
> >
> > 1) sometimes some of these work related scenarios provide good learning
> > points
> >
> > 2) people ask these kinds of questions on all the lists, no matter what.
> The
> > CCIE list would get it's fair share of this kind of question as well.
> >
> > without having the list 100% moderated, with all messages being
reviewed,
> > there is no practical way to stop this. and sometimes there is something
> to
> > be learned that is applicable to one's studies.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Donald B Johnson jr
> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:09 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
> >
> >
> > I think that if there is a split, all these questions concerning work
> should
> > be split out. It is supposed to be about group study not group
consulting.
> > Over the time that I have been here there seems to be a growing number
of
> > narrowly worded questions to bail someone out at work, and this
individual
> > doesn't even seem to consult CCO most of the time, even though they are
> > supporting a Cisco platform. The culture here seems to support and
highly
> > respect the intellectual property of others, which I whole-heartedly
> agree,
> > but it shows a lack of respect for those who consult for a living. I
> > personally like giving "so called flames" to people who are looking for
> free
> > consulting work to hide there apparent laziness. Just like everyone
chimes
> > in when someone comes here and tries to sell certzone labs gets blasted.
I
> > wish that blatant " my boss wants me to set up a central frame hub and
six
> > spoke network what should I do" should get blasted or pointed to place
> where
> > people can consult for food. Paul any e-mail that has boss in it should
> get
> > an automated stock reply, check CCO, call cisco, buy gear, have cisco SE
> set
> > it up, have a nice day. Now I know people are going to say that this is
> how
> > they learn by posting real world questions and this is true but it is
the
> > blatant ones that I am talking about. Oh and keep this in mind that the
> > people answering the these so called learning experiences didn't just
know
> > the answer, at some point they had to check CCO, contact Cisco, buy
gear,
> > work with Cisco SE, have a nice day.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 7:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
> >
> >
> > > When I go on vaction I unsubscribe and then subscribe again. Would all
> my
> > > messages go in the moderator's queue when I subscribed again? That
would
> > be
> > > annoying for the moderator (and for me. ;-) Other than that, I think
> it's
> > a
> > > good idea to have messages from a new subscriber go through the
> moderator
> > > for a while. As I'm sure you have considered, it's not a very
"scalable"
> > > idea, though.
> > >
> > > I hope you don't divide the group again. The general networking
> questions
> > > are helpful to those studying for CCNP and CCDP. The diversity of
> messages
> > > (except for the flames, of course) are good for learning and represent
> the
> > > real world better than if we just got questions about passing scores,
> etc.
> > >
> > > Thanks again for all you do for us!
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > > At 12:02 PM 8/17/01, Paul Borghese wrote:
> > > >With an open group, you are going to have your share of noise.
> > Everyone's
> > > >ides of noise is different. For example, to many this very e-mail is
> > noise
> > > >because it is not directly on subject.
> > > >
> > > >But there are some things we can do to help lessen the noise. They
are
> > on
> > > >my to-do list, just have been too busy.:
> > > >
> > > >1. Comprehensive FAQ - we need a new faq that can answer the
questions
> > that
> > > >are asked over and over again.
> > > >
> > > >2. Split out the professional group from the general networking
group.
> > > >
> > > >3. Setup a system where new users can not post directly to the
group -
> > This
> > > >is the most difficult of the three ideas and will require substantial
> > > >coding. What I want is to have a system where when an e-mail arrives
> (or
> > > >from the newsfeed or website), if the poster has not been approved,
it
> > gets
> > > >bounced into the moderators queue. If the moderator (actually we
will
> > have
> > > >many) agrees that the message is appropriate, the moderator will
allow
> > the
> > > >message to pass. Plus if the moderator feels that the poster will
> > continue
> > > >to send interesting and valuable e-mails, the moderator can place the
> > user
> > > >in the "automatic approval" category so future e-mails will not need
to
> > be
> > > >approved. The goal is to bounce new messages from first time
posters,
> > but
> > > >allow the old-timers to post without moderation. Thus filtering the
> new
> > > >user asking inappropriate questions and the occasional spam.
> > > >
> > > >Take care,
> > > >
> > > >Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "John Neiberger"
> > > >To:
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:05 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: Associate and Professional Email Lists [7:16217]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yes, Paul did do a good job cutting down that traffic. I just
> noticed
> > > > > that in the last month or so there has been a slew of *really*
basic
> > > > > questions that can be answered in the first two or three chapters
of
> > any
> > > > > decent CCNA study guide or by a 30 second search on CCO.
> > > > >
> > > > > I certainly don't mind answering these types of questions, I was
> just
> > > > > concerned that the purpose of the two separate lists was being
> > > > > undermined, causing a lot of unnecessary traffic. To me it's no
> > > > > different than posting jobs on the Associate or Professional
lists.
> > It
> > > > > may reach some of the right people, but it's not the appropriate
> place
> > > > > to post that type of information.
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> "Tom Lisa" 8/15/01 3:19:55 PM >>>
> > > > > Yes, John, there is an Associate list. We have a similar problem
> > > > > there as well. People keep insisting on asking CCNP/CCIE level
> > > > > questions on that list.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, people being the way they are, I doubt we will ever
> > > > > solve the problem completely. But, you got to admit that Paul
> > > > > at least cut down on the volume of CCNA level traffic on this
list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI
> > > > > Community College of Southern Nevada
> > > > > Cisco Regional Networking Academy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John Neiberger wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Excuse me for this rant. I'm not trying to be the content cop,
I
> > > > > just
> > > > > wanted to make an observation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do we no longer have an Associate list as well as the
Professional
> > > > > list? We've been getting horrendous numbers of emails lately
that
> > > > > simply do not belong on this list. If you don't know how to
> connect
> > > > > a
> > > > > PC to a router using the console cable or how to connect two
> routers
> > > > > back-to-back, it seems to me that you should ask those types of
> > > > > questions on the CCNA-level list, not the CCNP-level list.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not intending to come down too hard on people asking these
> > > > > questions, I'm just asking that you post to the appropriate
list.
> > > > > The
> > > > > Associate mailing list is intended for the simpler questions,
> while
> > > > > the
> > > > > Professional list is intended for those with slighly more
advanced
> > > > > questions. I understand that we tend to grant a *lot* of leeway
> > > > > when
> > > > > it
> > > > > comes to subject matter, but the level of the question should
> still
> > > > > be
> > > > > appropriate to the list it's posted to.
> > > > >
> > > > > Okay, enough ranting. :-) Back to our regular programming....
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > John
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > ________________________
> > >
> > > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > > http://www.priscilla.com
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