I agree, you hit the nail on the head, it ccie really worth these days, typing is that is tested, 8 hours to prove you know your stuff, lets face it how hard is it to memorise a test and give the questions to the next guy, does the programme today really meet the demand, no, does it really test your knowledge no, does Juniper have any real market share no, like the market stock price for cisco, ccie will follow the same path, down down down, especially now the programme has changed from a great product to one that max's money into Cisco, All of cisco is after revenue annd thats what drives change, cash flow.
Dave >From: "nrf" >Reply-To: "nrf" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 03:14:35 -0500 > >Exactly. Anybody can get a job if they're willing to flip burgers, but of >course people who earn the CCIE are going to expect something a little >better than that. That is my point exactly. The CCIE may no longer earn >you much of a premium in the market any more. It's not 1999. > > > > >""VoIP Guy"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > It certainly dosen't hurt to get a CCIE. The world is never going to >throw > > itself at you, so go out and learn as much as you can and get your CCIE. >If > > you can't get a job with a CCIE, you have other problems. I am just a >CCNP > > and I can get a job. > > > > > > ""nrf"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Here's my thoughts > > > > > > * Yes, I know several CCIE's who are having trouble finding work. And > > yes, > > > I know one guy who has 2 CCIE's (R/S and ISPDial) who is having >trouble > > > finding work. For those of you who think it might be due to lack of > > > experience, the guys I am talking about have at least 5 years of > > experience, > > > and the dual-guy has more than 10, including more than 5 at Cisco as >an > > SE. > > > > > > * My understanding is that the one-day lab is significantly harder >than > > the > > > older 2-day lab. But of course, this might be compensated for by the >fact > > > that the wait list will be shorter (eventually). > > > > > > * I don't know that Cisco has too many CCIE tracks. Right now there >are >3 > > > active tracks. This is like the old days of the program, when they >also > > > used to have 3 (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN) [Note, Ok, in the really old days, >I > > > know there used to be only the R/S]. But I remember at one point last > > year > > > or so, there were actually 5 active tracks (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN, >Design, > > > SNA/IP). Now that really was too many tracks. > > > > > > * You're right, why bother (esp. with the R/S)? Sorry guys, I know >this > > > sounds harsh, and I know that I'm going to get flamed for this, but if >I > > had > > > to do it all over again, I don't know that I would try to get the R/S. > > > > > > Now by that, let me be clear. There is nothing wrong with learning >the > > R/S > > > material. That is always good. Everybody should learn the material >that > > > the R/S guy knows. But as far as doing actual test prep - getting >my > > > typing and configuration speed up so that I can set up BGP and OSPF in >10 > > > minutes, actually paying for the test and travelling to the test site, >I > > > don't know that I would put myself through that again unless it was >worth > > > it. Let's face it. This isn't 1998-1999 anymore. Who knows when, or > > even > > > if, things will get better? Particularly when there is probably a >much > > > more valuable cert program out there. Which is why I am moving on to >... > > > > > > * Juniper. I don't think the same market forces hold for Juniper, at > > least > > > not to the same degree. The Juniper market is much less saturated >than > > the > > > Cisco market. Consider this - there are about 6650 CCIE's out there, >of > > > which probably about 6400 are R/S'ers. Right now there are 20 >JNCIE's. > > So > > > despite the fact that the demand for Juniper skills is smaller, I have >a > > > very difficult time believing it is 320 times smaller. You can >check > > out > > > my old post (7:3485, posted 10/1/01, on Re:Is the CCIE really worth >it), > > > where I discuss this subject at length. > > > > > > > > > ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, >this > > > is > > > > a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't > > worry - > > > > skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a lot of > > > > structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills up. >Keep >a > > > good > > > > attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > > > > > > > > > > some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in >networking > > > > even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ? > > > > the 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) >and > > > > cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security >or > > com > > > > when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe > > > > same thing for juniper i guess > > > > 2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but now i'm having > > second > > > > though . > > > > just my 2 cent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25176&t=24297 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
