Jeff I totally agree with you!
I have worked in a number of places with people who are certified and their productivity was zilch. You need to have a lot of experience to back up the certification in order to be productive. I would like to see how long many of these paper certs would last in a contract position? Cheers Jim Gillen Snr Communications Engineer AUSTRAC Ph: 9950 0842 Fax: 9950 0074 >>> Jeff 23/11/01 14:34:18 >>> This message has been scanned by MAILSweeper. ************************************************************ One thing I've learned in the past few years of networking, and hell, even in life in general. If you have to CHEAT to get it, then you damn well don't know it well enough to do normally. Look at the MCSE, How many MCSE's out there went and bought cheat sheets (no offense to the MCSE's on the list, but MCSE is like the A+, its so utterly dilluted, it really does just look more like a paper cert then anything else) and can't even change the desktop on a NT box? I know plenty. Do we want to see the CCNA/NP/DA/DP/IE become like this? Cisco certs are susposed to carry respect with them (as should any cert, but over time, people who just end up as paper certs remove alot of that respect) and when crap like this comes up, it really does take away some of the respect. Sure, I understand that an IP address is a bunch of numbers seperated by dots, does that mean I should be a CCIE? I think not. *shrug* -jeff On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Jim Gillen wrote: > As long as the experience and understanding is there! > > Cheers > > Jim Gillen > > Snr Communications Engineer > AUSTRAC > > Ph: 9950 0842 > Fax: 9950 0074 > > > > >>> "Jeff" 23/11/01 8:27:35 >>> > This message has been scanned by MAILSweeper. > ************************************************************ > > *cough* paper cert *cough* > > -Jeff > > > > On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Judy White wrote: > > > Hello, my name is Judy White and one of my close friends gave me some very > > good study material. The material was so good that I passed my CCNA and > > CCNP in a month. That's 5 test in one month with minimum study time. The > > questions and answers that my friend gave me to study was identical to the > > ones on the actual test. If you are interested in obtaining a copy of this > > material contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.mimesweeper.com > ********************************************************************** Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=27171&t=27142 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]