The checkpoint is the black sheep of the industry. It is a poorly
documented, un-intuative, overly licensed 
B.S. interface. The checkpoint where I used to work (nokia IP 440) reminded
me of this cartoon with porky pig
and daffy duck. Porky pig gets a hotel room for .10Cents. The mouse comes
and starts chewing celery so he can't
sleep. Then daffy wants like $10 for a cat to get rid of the mouse. Then the
cat keeps him from sleeping
so daffy wants $20 for a dog to get rid of the cat, and its goes all the way
till an elephant to get rid of a
lion for several hundred dollars. And guess what gets rid of the elephant,
(now taking up all the space in his
hotel room) ? You guessed it a MOUSE !. Moral of the story, they string you
along with different answers on each
call (so issues just go in circles), the licenses make the product too
expensive, while not as good at VPN tunneling 
as a Cisco VPN Concentrator, which comes with 100 USERS for only around $4K.
The Checkpoint is garbage. Avoid it 
at all costs. Long live Altiga (Cisco) VPNs.

Joseph Brunner
ASN 21572
MortgageIT MITLending
New York, NY 10038
(212) 651 - 7695 Voice




-----Original Message-----
From: ""[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:""[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:18 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn [7:37474]


I've worked with the 3000 concentrator but not with the Checkpoint.  The
3000 is very user friendly and easy to use.  You have to do minor
configuration via console and then you're off with the web interface which
is very simple to use.  I can't make a recommendation for which you should
buy but the Cisco products always make me happy.  I've set up a vpn tunnel
from a cisco router to a checkpoint firewall and it seemed like the person
on the configuring end of the checkpoint had a lot of problems with
upgrading software and technical support but that may have been a one person
scenario. I can't say for sure.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:03 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn [7:37474]


I haven't used both but I had to reply. I had set up a CheckPoint 
SecuRemote VPN, the VPN package that came with CP 2000 on a Nokia box 
and I have to say, it's not worth the hassle. CP tossed in the VPN 
component as a selling point so they could say, "Hey our firewall does 
it all".  I should also mention that their documentation on getting 
SecuRemote up and running is sad, if not almost non-existent.

Colin

Alex Lei wrote:

> Group,
> 
> Has anyone used both concentrator 3000 and checkpoint vpn (either software
> or hardware)? What are each's advantages and disadvantages? I am
interested
> in the following factors: Ease of installation and configuration,
security,
> manageability, reporting and logging, scalability, and pricing. I've
> searched the archives but couldn't find any real world advices.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Alex




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