Agree.

I used both, Concentrator is very impressive. Support
from Cisco TAC is great. Checkpoint VPN is good too,
but their support is horrible. And their licensing is
confusing.

Jim

--- Joseph Brunner  wrote:
> The checkpoint is the black sheep of the industry.
> It is a poorly
> documented, un-intuative, overly licensed 
> B.S. interface. The checkpoint where I used to work
> (nokia IP 440) reminded
> me of this cartoon with porky pig
> and daffy duck. Porky pig gets a hotel room for
> .10Cents. The mouse comes
> and starts chewing celery so he can't
> sleep. Then daffy wants like $10 for a cat to get
> rid of the mouse. Then the
> cat keeps him from sleeping
> so daffy wants $20 for a dog to get rid of the cat,
> and its goes all the way
> till an elephant to get rid of a
> lion for several hundred dollars. And guess what
> gets rid of the elephant,
> (now taking up all the space in his
> hotel room) ? You guessed it a MOUSE !. Moral of the
> story, they string you
> along with different answers on each
> call (so issues just go in circles), the licenses
> make the product too
> expensive, while not as good at VPN tunneling 
> as a Cisco VPN Concentrator, which comes with 100
> USERS for only around $4K.
> The Checkpoint is garbage. Avoid it 
> at all costs. Long live Altiga (Cisco) VPNs.
> 
> Joseph Brunner
> ASN 21572
> MortgageIT MITLending
> New York, NY 10038
> (212) 651 - 7695 Voice
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ""[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:""[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:18 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn
> [7:37474]
> 
> 
> I've worked with the 3000 concentrator but not with
> the Checkpoint.  The
> 3000 is very user friendly and easy to use.  You
> have to do minor
> configuration via console and then you're off with
> the web interface which
> is very simple to use.  I can't make a
> recommendation for which you should
> buy but the Cisco products always make me happy. 
> I've set up a vpn tunnel
> from a cisco router to a checkpoint firewall and it
> seemed like the person
> on the configuring end of the checkpoint had a lot
> of problems with
> upgrading software and technical support but that
> may have been a one person
> scenario. I can't say for sure.
> 
> Jason
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:03 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn
> [7:37474]
> 
> 
> I haven't used both but I had to reply. I had set up
> a CheckPoint 
> SecuRemote VPN, the VPN package that came with CP
> 2000 on a Nokia box 
> and I have to say, it's not worth the hassle. CP
> tossed in the VPN 
> component as a selling point so they could say, "Hey
> our firewall does 
> it all".  I should also mention that their
> documentation on getting 
> SecuRemote up and running is sad, if not almost
> non-existent.
> 
> Colin
> 
> Alex Lei wrote:
> 
> > Group,
> > 
> > Has anyone used both concentrator 3000 and
> checkpoint vpn (either software
> > or hardware)? What are each's advantages and
> disadvantages? I am
> interested
> > in the following factors: Ease of installation and
> configuration,
> security,
> > manageability, reporting and logging, scalability,
> and pricing. I've
> > searched the archives but couldn't find any real
> world advices.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Alex
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