I worked my last contract I don't want to say where, but a major educational testing place. They still had banyan Vines in 2001. although I didn't touch it besides migration. I didn't think it was still around. We migrated them to Windows 2000. The banyan Vines servers left, but the mindsets of the admins were still banyan, even after the servers left. Every conversation was always "on banyan, we used to". Thankfully I was just a contractor and left after 7 Months. Me and the other contracters with current skills would always roll our eyes.
-----Original Message----- From: William Gragido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: TCP/IP and DOD [7:39657] No, we upgraded it ourselves Rico, I was there throughout the nineties....we went from Banyan environments to IP (Unix/NT). -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rico Ortiz Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 6:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: TCP/IP and DOD [7:39657] When I was in the Marines (about 10 yrs ago) the used Banyard Vines for there networks. I believe EDS has been hired to upgrade there current network to an IP setup.. Rico -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: TCP/IP and DOD [7:39657] And I've heard that the US side in Desert Storm used Banyan for their networking systems, not TCP/IP!? Priscilla At 12:05 PM 3/28/02, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > >Thats what the DoD taught in their DataCommunications Schools. Sorry Dom. > >Absolutely, positively wrong, though. That's an urban legend that has >been disavowed by every early developer I can think of, including the >DARPA people. It developed out of pure DARPA sponsored research in >networking. > >I'm hard-pressed to think of any nuclear command & control >communications system, before the mid-80's or so, that used TCP/IP, >and at one time I knew pretty much every system that was deployed. >Among the ones I can talk about, they were circuit-switched or radio. >Some of the circuit-switched networks were computer controlled, >including AUTODIN I and a variety of intelligent networks. > >Without detailed research, I'd tend to say the first military TCP/IP >applications were in tactical, not strategic, nets. > >Actually, the first demonstration that packet switched networks were >resilient to massive attack came from the Iraqi air defense system in >Desert Storm. > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >Chuck > >Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:00 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: TCP/IP and DOD [7:39657] > > > > > >the real reason being.....? > > > > > > > > > > wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> Sorry, the > >> > >> "be resilient to Global Thermal Nuclear attacks" > >> > >> is a myth. > >> > >> Dom Stocqueler > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "William > >> Gragido" To: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: RE: TCP/IP and DOD > >> [7:39657] > >> Sent > >> by: > >> > >> nobody@groups > >> > >> tudy.com > >> > >> > >> > >> 27/03/2002 > >> > >> 20:17 > >> > >> Please > >> respond > >> to > >> > >> "William > >> > >> Gragido" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> The DoD adopted TCP/IP as its native protocol for communications in 1983. > >> DARPA lead the charge for a communications system that would be resilient > >> to > >> Global Thermal Nuclear attacks (therein allowing for continued, > >> uninterrupted comm), and would allow for common connectivity of > >> multi-vendor > >> solutions. This of course did yield 'ARPA NET' which, by a decision of > >the > >> DCA (Defense Communications Agency), in 1983 was split in two yielding a > >> smaller version of 'ARPA NET' and 'MILNET'. The evolution of the modern > >> internet can followed done the line from 'ARPA NET' and as we all know by > >> virtue of adding new networks to the mix, 'ARPA NET' was de-regulated in > >> 1991 ushering the age of the modern internet. > >> > >> Hope that helps, > >> > >> Will Gragido > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >> Michael Williams > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:37 PM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: RE: TCP/IP and DOD [7:39657] > >> > >> > >> It's kinda fuzzy. I myself just got through doing a tech review of a >book > >> covering this topic as well as have written my own "materials" for > >> training, > >> etc covering this topic. IMHO, DoD is credited with "creating the > >> internet" > >> even though at the time it wasn't called the internet and didn't use the > >> same protocols we do now. Although the DoD started the whole mess, from > >> what I've read DoD commisioned ARPANET to research this. I'm sure that > >> peoples are various universities and colleges were in on the actual > >> deveopment evidenced by the fact that in 1971 there were 15 nodes (with a > >> total of 23 hosts), namely UCLA, SRI, UCSB, U of Utah, BBN, MIT, RAND, > >SDC, > >> Harvard, Lincoln Lab, Stanford, UIU(C), CWRU, CMU, and NASA/Ames. Note > >> most > >> of those listed are colleges/universities. I've read some about BBN, > >> however > >> it seems to me their main role was to supply the first "computers" > >> (Honeywell 516 mini computers with 12K of memory) that acted as > >Information > >> Message Processors (IMPs) (routers?). > >> > >> However, I would humbly suggest that Howard B. or Priscilla O. throw >their > >> 2 > >> cents in here. > >> > >> Also, since your doing a technical edit, be careful of the words you > >choose > >> as well. For example you use the word "written" over and over above, but > >I > >> don't think the conversation is really about "which programmers actually > >> wrote the code" it's more about "who either spearheaded or caused the > >> evolution of the *standards* we call TCP/IP" in which case I don't think > >> crediting the DoD is incorrect. > >> > >> My 2 cents =) > >> Mike W. ________________________ Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40826&t=39657 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
