When I was in the Marines (about 10 yrs ago) the used Banyard Vines for there networks. I believe EDS has been hired to upgrade there current network to an IP setup.. Rico
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: TCP/IP and DOD [7:39657] And I've heard that the US side in Desert Storm used Banyan for their networking systems, not TCP/IP!? Priscilla At 12:05 PM 3/28/02, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > >Thats what the DoD taught in their DataCommunications Schools. Sorry Dom. > >Absolutely, positively wrong, though. That's an urban legend that has >been disavowed by every early developer I can think of, including the >DARPA people. It developed out of pure DARPA sponsored research in >networking. > >I'm hard-pressed to think of any nuclear command & control >communications system, before the mid-80's or so, that used TCP/IP, >and at one time I knew pretty much every system that was deployed. >Among the ones I can talk about, they were circuit-switched or radio. >Some of the circuit-switched networks were computer controlled, >including AUTODIN I and a variety of intelligent networks. > >Without detailed research, I'd tend to say the first military TCP/IP >applications were in tactical, not strategic, nets. > >Actually, the first demonstration that packet switched networks were >resilient to massive attack came from the Iraqi air defense system in >Desert Storm. > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >Chuck > >Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:00 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: TCP/IP and DOD [7:39657] > > > > > >the real reason being.....? > > > > > > > > > > wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> Sorry, the > >> > >> "be resilient to Global Thermal Nuclear attacks" > >> > >> is a myth. > >> > >> Dom Stocqueler > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "William > >> Gragido" To: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: RE: TCP/IP and DOD > >> [7:39657] > >> Sent > >> by: > >> > >> nobody@groups > >> > >> tudy.com > >> > >> > >> > >> 27/03/2002 > >> > >> 20:17 > >> > >> Please > >> respond > >> to > >> > >> "William > >> > >> Gragido" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> The DoD adopted TCP/IP as its native protocol for communications in 1983. > >> DARPA lead the charge for a communications system that would be resilient > >> to > >> Global Thermal Nuclear attacks (therein allowing for continued, > >> uninterrupted comm), and would allow for common connectivity of > >> multi-vendor > >> solutions. This of course did yield 'ARPA NET' which, by a decision of > >the > >> DCA (Defense Communications Agency), in 1983 was split in two yielding a > >> smaller version of 'ARPA NET' and 'MILNET'. The evolution of the modern > >> internet can followed done the line from 'ARPA NET' and as we all know by > >> virtue of adding new networks to the mix, 'ARPA NET' was de-regulated in > >> 1991 ushering the age of the modern internet. > >> > >> Hope that helps, > >> > >> Will Gragido > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >> Michael Williams > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:37 PM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: RE: TCP/IP and DOD [7:39657] > >> > >> > >> It's kinda fuzzy. I myself just got through doing a tech review of a >book > >> covering this topic as well as have written my own "materials" for > >> training, > >> etc covering this topic. IMHO, DoD is credited with "creating the > >> internet" > >> even though at the time it wasn't called the internet and didn't use the > >> same protocols we do now. Although the DoD started the whole mess, from > >> what I've read DoD commisioned ARPANET to research this. I'm sure that > >> peoples are various universities and colleges were in on the actual > >> deveopment evidenced by the fact that in 1971 there were 15 nodes (with a > >> total of 23 hosts), namely UCLA, SRI, UCSB, U of Utah, BBN, MIT, RAND, > >SDC, > >> Harvard, Lincoln Lab, Stanford, UIU(C), CWRU, CMU, and NASA/Ames. Note > >> most > >> of those listed are colleges/universities. I've read some about BBN, > >> however > >> it seems to me their main role was to supply the first "computers" > >> (Honeywell 516 mini computers with 12K of memory) that acted as > >Information > >> Message Processors (IMPs) (routers?). > >> > >> However, I would humbly suggest that Howard B. or Priscilla O. throw >their > >> 2 > >> cents in here. > >> > >> Also, since your doing a technical edit, be careful of the words you > >choose > >> as well. For example you use the word "written" over and over above, but > >I > >> don't think the conversation is really about "which programmers actually > >> wrote the code" it's more about "who either spearheaded or caused the > >> evolution of the *standards* we call TCP/IP" in which case I don't think > >> crediting the DoD is incorrect. > >> > >> My 2 cents =) > >> Mike W. ________________________ Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40648&t=39657 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
