Good answer Kevin.. Fortunately I do not spend the whole day( and most nites) surfing the web, and chatting.. Any body thats been to cisco's campus at corp. knows that..
And working in the lan/wan group at cisco almost empowers you to become a ccie because thats what we do.... And your dead on with the job/money issue... and I take the advice of the more knowledgeable people on this list that have been there/done that.. and Mr. Stroebel doesn't appear to be one of those... Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cullimore" To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 9:38 AM Subject: Re: CCIE Written Reading.. [7:41017] > A few concerns: > > I'm not sure that "leeway" to "surf" & "chat" constitutes a better life/job. > That could just as easily be a sign that a position or a company is in in > trouble due to lack of business. > > More realistically, not being allowed to "surf" newsgroups on company time > means that you are denied access to solutions that are not documented > anywhere else. > > This has several consequences: > > 1. You must use their time to duplicate extant solutions. > > 2. You possibly improve your skills by independently deriving the solution. > > This does not scale well for your employer: they have to wait for you to > come up with answers that others can extract via an online search, and you > become more expensive to retain over time (rendering your case for someone > in the opposite or nearly opposite situation to be in possession of "a > better life" all the weaker). > > The "chat" case is a little more ambiguous. > > While posting to newsgroups allows you to gain valuable practice (again, a > case where you potentially further your own marketability), it does > represent instances where you are sharing knowledge outside your employer's > talent pool and are not working on revenue generating matters (note: I'm > explicitly ignoring any social networking opportunities that might emerge as > a result of such interaction). > > > > Other employers vary widely concerning these issues. > > I'm not sure encouraging a technically-oriented Cisco employee to forego > pursuit of a CCIE certification holds up as valid (impartial) advice. > > As far as income/job/life goes, I'm not sure that any software/hardware > provider is safe from having their business eroded by their own increasing > efficiency or the efforts by competitors to leapfrog their current set of > capabilities. The entire world is banding together to reduce IT salaries, > and the success of those efforts would reduce both the overall quality and > achievable salaries of the remaining jobs (caveat: some jobs would certainly > remain interesting or possibly grow more appealing, but the number of > positions available for those roles would probably shrink). > > Finally, I'm not sure that a company that routinely trims 5% during > unimaginably good times is the right one to passively cling on to as > suggested in your "Forget CCIE and hold on to your good Cisco Systems > employer" suggestion. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:45 PM > Subject: RE: CCIE Written Reading.. [7:41017] > > > > Larry, > > > > Well, it did work for me and as you see I am going for the lab now. > > Of course, ccbootcamp, Boson, cerificationzone these are all just tools. > The > > actual result varies depending on the person's capacity. > > > > But, I am curious. Why do you want to become a CCIE? > > > > I want to become a CCIE with the hope and anticipation of a better job, a > > better income, and a better life. > > You already have a better life. Your signature says you work for Cisco, > and > > you > > are constantly on this list. This means you are getting paid for surfing > and > > chatting! This is an ultimate job. I love it. > > > > I don't believe any other employer would give you so much leway even if > you > > were holding a PhD in brainsurgery. Where I work, we are not allowd to > surf > > the > > web and participate in newsgroups when we are on the clock > > > > > Forget CCIE and hold on to your good Cisco Systems employer, and shoot me > an > > application form if they are hiring :-) > > > > Best wishes, > > > > A Strobel (working on the lab exam....) > > > > > > > > Quoting Larry Letterman : > > > > > Bernard's test does not work well, I would advise > > > using dennis L.'s boson # 3 test. Its a better test for > > > written. > > > > > > > > > Larry Letterman > > > Cisco Systems > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:20 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: CCIE Written Reading.. [7:41017] > > > > > > > > > Kris, > > > > > > I am sure you will find tons of info on this subject in archives. > > > Strategies are different from person to person. > > > I used the following to pass my written: > > > > > > -Bruce Caslow's Book (1st or 2nd edition) > > > -Boson #1 by Bernard > > > -CCO > > > > > > You can add www.certificationzone.com to your arsenal if you are an avid > > > reader. They have excellent white papers. > > > > > > During the period that you wait and practice for you lab, you can read: > > > Halabi > > > Jeff Doyle (1 &2) > > > BGP-4 by parkhurst > > > and many more. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > A Strobel ( working on the lab exam.........) > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Kris Keen : > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I'll be preparing for the CCIE written exam very shortly, Im in the > > > process > > > > of building the tid bits for my lab and collecting the reading > material.. > > > > > > > > What books should I read at a min, and what would be even more > > > advantgeous? > > > > > > > > I have all the CCNP books (Exam Cert Guides) and Doyles TCPIP Vol 1. > > > > > > > > Please help... > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Kris > > > -_-_-_ Mail3000 gives you 30 Megs of Email space free -_-_- > > > This mail sent through http://mail3000.com/ > > -_-_-_ Mail3000 gives you 30 Megs of Email space free -_-_- > > This mail sent through http://mail3000.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=41388&t=41017 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
