You say that guys like this have no connection to me. Boy, I wish that were true. If it were, I really would be able to mind my own business.
Let's presume that I am a CCIE (I may or may not be). The connection is simply this. HR people and other people in charge of hiring will read or hear comments like what was stated by that guy. They will then conclude that maybe the certification isn't particularly valuable at all. Therefore the kind of 'trash-talk' these lab-rats (or even wanna-be lab-rats) engage in has a negative effect on the perception of the cert. For example, a hiring manager might see a comment like that and think, well, this guy who just barely got into networking is talking so confidently about being a CCIE in no time flat, which possibly means that the cert must not be very hard, which therefore means that perhaps it's not as valuable as it seems, so why should I prefer such certified people when I look for an employee? As I'm sure you would agree, perception is often stronger than reality. It doesn't really matter if you're good if nobody thinks you're good. If people in power start hearing enough of this kind of talk, then perception of the cert will inevitably start to change in a negative way. That, my friend, is the connection. It is an unfortunate reality of life that we are judged based on the actions of our community. Call it guilt-by-association, call it whatever you want. Just don't call it untrue. ""Scott H."" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Why does it always have to be a contest of who's is biggest? If this guy > thinks he can pass the lab then by all means take the class and give the lab > a shot. I'm sure Cisco would be happy to collect the money from him each > time he takes it. I guess what I'm trying to say here is take care of your > own business and don't let all the other crap get to you. People like this > just add to the statistics of mass failure. > > The real problem with this reasoning is that you end up lumping people into > the same category because they don't have 10 years of experience. Too many > times I have been told that my certs are only "paper" because I don't have > this experience. My response is simple, "mind your own friggin business." > Just because I don't have 10 years of experience doesn't mean I'm any less > of a person. And guess what? Eventually I will have 10 years of experience > and people will still say I don't "really" know what I'm doing. > > By the way, would your quest for the holy grail really happen if you were > only gonna make $15/hr? I don't think so. > > ""nrf"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > That's an excellent way to sum it up. Too much has been written about the > > value (or non-value) of the CCIE, or any cert for that matter. What > > everybody should instead be aiming for is real knowledge. If a cert helps > > you acquire this knowledge, then so be it. But the cert is by no means > the > > end of the road. It is the extreme idea held by certain people who > think > > that all they have to do is pass the lab and money will automatically fall > > out of the sky that I object to. > > > > For example, here is one particular post from another message board that I > > participate in. > > > > "I passes [sic] my CCNA few months ago. It was an OK test, but I almost > > failed it. I was planning on taking my CCNP and CCIE, but I didnt think I > > could do it. So I decided to look for a training course. Anyway, people > that > > are trying to pass CCIE or are planning on taking CCIE, I wan't to let you > > guys know that I found a great school for Cisco training. It is called > [name > > deleted]...Wahoo, soon I will pass my CCIE and will be making over 100K" > > > > Lest anybody thinks I am making this quote up, you can email me privately > > and I will give you the exact message board where you can find this. A > guy > > who barely passed the CCNA and now wants to ge the CCIE so that he can > make > > a high salary - needless to say, it is this kind of attitude that gives > the > > lab-rat such a bad name. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45007&t=45001 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
