Over here in South Africa, UUNET is claiming that they were not reliant on
Worldcom for any financing, and that they (UUNET South Africa) have been
profitable for the last 9 years or so and are still in the process of
expanding... WorldCom's problems don't affect them ... Or so they say. Plus
all of UUNET's Advertising still claims "Cisco Powered Network"

UUNET, a truly good company from my experience with them.

Thanks
Manish

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Lodwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 05 July 2002 18:47 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Cisco vis a vis World Com [7:47505]


Don't confuse UUNet with WCOMs data networking division? UUNet is 
WorldCom, WorldCom is UUNet. All one big happy family right? A while back 
WorldCom finally stiff armed all UUNet people to fully integrate. Even to 
the point where you were not allowed to have your signature say UUNet on it 
it had to say WorldCom (and basically I think that was the day we lost 
control of the rudder and started heading towards that iceburg). WorldCom is

Compuserve, UUNet, MFS, ANS, Rythms, and alot of others.
  I think this string is pretty silly. As if a carrier as big as WorldCom 
would be an all this or an all that shop. WorldCom is so huge there is no 
way you could catagorize it as a _______ shop. What Cisco router are you 
going to use to run DDCMP? We've got an entire network that runs a modified 
version of X.25 and the line protocol is called DDCMP. We've got like a 
bazillion routers out there (almost 30 billion ;-) and we've acquired like a

bazillion different companies over the years. I see Junipers, Nortels, 
Lucents, Bays, Fujitsus, 3Coms, and a whole lotta Ciscos.
I don't think the first guy can start counting his chickens right yet. I 
don't have any unrealistic ideas on what will happen to WorldCom, but even 
if banruptcy occurs I don't think we will just shut our doors and go home 
especially our backbone and managed data services. (Don't get me wrong 
though I'm definitely worried and am studying like a madman for my lab in 
August, and getting my resume out)
  I think it's terrible that something like this has happening to UUNet. 
UUNet was such a great company. An awesome backbone. We are one of the only 
backbones big enough and have enough traffic management charachteristics to 
be able to offer awesome SLA's from site to site through the internet. So 
many cool research projects going on for instance we have a multicast 
backbone, and an IPV6 backbone. All kinds of neat stuff. I've never learned 
so much. I think we are seeing the furthering of this industry coming to a 
screeching halt. My catch phrase is we might not do everything right here 
and might be a little screwed up here and there, but we are definitely the 
least screwed up ISP out there.
  This industry in my opinion is just asking for a replay of the auto 
industry a few years back. Japan comes in, takes this place, clips off all 
the fat, adds in alot of quality assurance teams and completely dominates 
the market.
  Ok I'm done, I'm sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now since that security 
guard down the hall is saying I am tresspassing since this building is no 
longer owned by WorldCom -kidding ;-)

>>>Brian


>From: "deltan"
>Reply-To: "deltan" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Off Topic - Cisco vis a vis World Com [7:47505]
>Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:48:57 GMT
>
>UUNet is a Cisco shop for sure (Canada and US).
>
>And don't confuse WCOM's data networking division with
>UUNet (WCOM's subsidiary in Internetworking).
>
>Those students might be talking about the data
>networking side....true or false, I don't know.




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