""Mark W. Odette II"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Rob- > > I think it is feasible without the 10 years experience working for an > ISP. In fact, I've been working with Cisco equipment off and on at > first, but then more consistently for the past 6 years. I took my time > in completing my CCNP (almost 2 years from the point of CCNA), and > probably could have gotten it sooner if I had really applied myself. > > For the CCIE, this discussion has been mulled over at least 4 times in > the past 6 months. The bottom line is, half of the CCIE preparation is > book-study... pure "Cisco" Academics. But the other half is real > experience working on the equipment for a considerable amount of time, > whether it be more in production and less in lab racks, or vice versa. > > One of the list contributors (NRF) I'm sure will comment on his > definition of "Lab Rat", and how he believes that a considerable amount > of employers are not interested in Lab Rats for CCIE's**. It's a catch > 22 in this respect, of which I'm sure you can already understand.
Just want to say that it's not even really my definition. It's actually the definition that was used by other people before me, and I've adopted it because I see that it's pretty accurate. And again, it's not really what I believe about lab-rats that matters. It's what I've seen employers do that really matters. I don't want anybody to get the impression that my attitude about lab-rats is internal to me. Not at all. My attitude about lab-rats actually comes from how I've seen employers actually behave. It's really an external thing. So it's not like I'm the one that's really pushing the concept of the lab-rat. Actually, I'm merely the messenger conveying what many employers have told me. > > ** no need to rehash this topic NRF :) No problem. I'm sure anybody who is interested can check out the archives where I discuss this topic at length. > > Personally, I think you can reasonably obtain the CCIE in 18 months, and > really be a well developed CCIE. Do keep in mind though, the CCIE is > not the top of the mountain, but rather just one of the summits in your > career. You WILL need to keep learning, and it is up to you if you > decide to continue participating in the Vendor Certification game. You absolutely speak the truth, my friend. The CCIE is not an endpoint by any means. > > Just my .00000010 > > Good luck on your studies. > > Mark Odette II > CCNP, MCSE 4.0/2K, A+ Certified. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert D. Cluett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 11:30 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: CCIE Experiences? My Road Ahead... [7:50139] > > All (CCIE's and CCIE Written) > > I was wondering if you could help me understand what it is I am in for. > I > have 3 years of experience at tier 3 IP support with Verizon. OSPF > mostly. > I have experience with various Cisco and Nortel routers and switches. > My > question is this, knowing OSPF and circuit troublshooting is excellent > knowledge, but I know that is only a fraction of what the CCIE demands. > I > recently passed the CCNA, and have jumped into the studying for the > routing > exam. The only thing which seems tough is the BGP (I have not touched > it > before). So, my question is, what can I expect from this road ahead. > Is it > feasable to eventually obtain my CCIE or is the CCIE for those people > who > have the 10 years of experience working for an ISP? Any advice would > help! > > Rob Cluett, CCNA Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=50351&t=50139 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
