I used to subscribe to the theory that by listing your certs, you somewhat shield yourself from flaming and criticism. For example, if a regular dude with no Cisco knowledge bashes Cisco, you could dismiss him as just a crank and people could justifiably flame him, etc. etc.. But if he's a CCIE, then you might actually have to take his complaints seriously.
But I learned the hard way that this is not true. I learned that if people dislike your comments so much that they're going to flame you, they're going to do it whether you present your qualifications or not. They might flame you in a different way, but they're still going to do it. So at the end of the day, it doesn't matter a whit. For example, without answering the question of whether I am or am not a CCIE, I remember when I got into a discussion of the CCIE program, where I discussed the program's problems. Just like clockwork, dudes immediately shot back by asking me whether I was a CCIE myself, apparently under the guise I am just jealous of the program and the people who hold that designation. Yeah, well, what if I had decided to include in my sig my 4-digit number (which, again, is something I may or may not hold). I think we all know what would have happened - those same dudes who flamed me before for being jealous would have now flamed me for being insecure, because apparently my ulterior motive would be that I'm discouraging people from the program to protect my exclusive status (?!). Hmmm. The point is, it's a no-win situation and so I elect not to play. The people on this thread who are reasonable, which is most of them, will read your statements and judge them based on merit without regard to what your qualifications are. But then there are those people who have already made up their minds and couldn't care less even if you happened to be John Chambers himself. So there's no point in putting all your cards on the table if it isn't going to make a dam* bit of difference anyway. ""Mike Bernico"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I can't really speak for CCIEs because I'm not one, but like many of us on > this list I've gotten quite a few certifications. I believe very strongly > in industry certifications as benchmarks, however I don't list any of my > certifications on business cards, signature lines, etc anymore. I don't > like to be categorized into one thing or another. It also seems a bit > pretentious and maybe a bit insecure. I think everyone should be treated > the same regardless of certification and their statements should be judged > on their own merit and not weighted by a certification. But that's just my > $0.02. > > I think displaying some certifications could actually have a negative effect > as well. For example, I have a redhat certification. In a room full of > microsoft people that might work to discredit me. The same might go for > cisco certifications in a room full of whoever else makes Datacom equipment. > > > > ------------------- > Mike Bernico [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Illinois Century Network http://www.illinois.net > (217) 557-6555 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:58 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: CCIE number [7:50203] > > > > > > FWIW I know off hand about 5 CCIE's that don't include their cert in > > their sig file. I have not asked them why, never really thought much > > about it. > > > > Dave > > > > ". ." wrote: > > > > > > Ok, may be i should rephase my question again. I have seen > > a lot of people > > > with their email signature as > > > John smith > > > CCIE 1024 > > > > > > or something like that. Then I know immediately that that > > person (i know > > > that 1024 belongs to the lab!) is a CCIE. > > > > > > However, would all CCIE include their "CCIE 1024" in their > > signature? If > > > not, just roughly how many of them? > > > > > > I know that it is not possible to answser this question. > > However, I am just > > > too curious to know this. > > > > > > If you find that this is stupid quesiton (no stupid > > question, only stupid > > > answer???), please kindly ignore this > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > -- > > David Madland > > Sr. Network Engineer > > CCIE# 2016 > > Qwest Communications Int. Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 612-664-3367 > > > > "Emotion should reflect reason not guide it" Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=50538&t=50203 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
