not sure there is an absolute answer as it would depend on actual cable
distance travelled (not as the crow flies), number of hops, policies
enforced, congestion, etc.  as a rule of thumb i would use estimated
distance in kilometers / (400kilometers per second * .6).  it is usually in
the ballpark.  if you are an order of magnitude higher it would indicate a
problem.

thanks.
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From: "Symon Thurlow" 
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Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 8:33 AM
Subject: RE: bandwidth vs. latency [7:57899]


> Anyone know what the average expected latency over Frame Relay is?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 23 November 2002 01:24
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: bandwidth vs. latency [7:57899]
>
>
> Mirza, Timur wrote:
> >
> > does anyone have a good reference (e.g., white paper) on the nature of
> > bandwidth vs latency & the distinction bet/ the two?
>
> Well, the distinction is easy. They don't mean the same thing at all. A
> good site is Merriam Webster's online dictionary. The 2nd definition for
> bandwidth is:
>
> Bandwidth: the capacity for data transfer of an electronic
> communications system
>
> Latency, on the other hand, means delay. Websters isn't too helpful in
> this case, but might help you understand the origin of the word, which
> is related to dormancy.
>
> Cisco's Terms and Acronyms document has a couple definitions of latency,
> which are somewhat helpful:
>
> 1. Delay between the time a device requests access to a network and the
> time it is granted permission to transmit.
>
> 2. Delay between the time a device receives a frame and the time that
> frame is forwarded out the destination port.
>
> Those definitions allude to the many contributors to delay (latency) on
> a
> network:
>
> * media access time
> * queuing time at internetworking devices
> * processing time at internetworking devices and at the sender and
> receiver
> * serialization delay to send and receive bits at the rate specified by
> the bandwidth of the sending and receiving interfaces
> * propagation delay which is distance dependent and to a certain extent
> medium dependent, although most media support about 2/3 the speed of
> light
>
> Testing latency is reasonably easy. Just do some pings. Predicting,
> modeling, and simulating delay is advanced engineering. A few books
> cover it at a very basic level, including Top-Down Network Design by
> Oppenheimer, and Data Network Design by Spohn.
>
> Howard Berkowitz has written some RFCs that discuss performance
> measurement, if I recall.
>
> There are graduate level computer science classes that cover performance
> measurement in computer networks at many universities.
>
> And, finally, you can get some info from white papers written by vendors
> who sell modelling software. For example, try http://www.netpredict.com/
> and http://www.opnet.com/.
>
> _______________________________
>
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> www.troubleshootingnetworks.com
> www.priscilla.com
>
>
> >
> > Timur Mirza
> > Principal Network Engineer
> > Network Planning & Engineering, West Region
> > 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue
> > Irvine, California 92618
> > Verizon Wireless
> > 949.286.6623 (o)
> > 949.697.7964 (c)
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