At 11:34 PM +0000 1/7/03, Xia Hongbing wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "nrf" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:28 PM >Subject: Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS degree [7:59481] > > >> ""The Long and Winding Road"" wrote in >> message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> > ""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> > >snip> >> > >> > >> > > BTW, I do consider this a fundamentally silly discussion, but I think >> > > it's somewhat relevant for newbies to know that neither the cert nor >> > > the degree is the ultimate answer. > >If you have a BS degree, CCIE will add more benefits than MS for you.
There is no single best answer. Again, it comes back to what you want to do. CCIE may indeed be more helpful in enterprise network support, resellers, etc. That's not meant to be a criticism. Let's put it this way...when I had my house remodeled, I had far more respect for the general contractor than the architect. The first was by far the more creative person. Yet, on many occasions, I've gone into a large network situation, where things were floundering even though there were CCIEs in support, and cleaned up the situation by backing off, looking at requirements, challenging assumptions, cleaning up topology, etc. I well remember a case where moving one extra OSPF router into area 0.0.0.0 did away with the need for over 100 static routes they were using with a different set of assumptions on core design. And troubleshooting is great fun for certain personality types -- for data on this in a programming context, see Weinberg's _The Psychology of Computer Programming_. A CCIE, as currently constituted, does not cover the quantitative skills needed to do capacity design for a large network. It also doesn't cover the global routing skills for a large service provider. Network product developers tend to look for a MS in CS when hiring new people, but it's not an absolute. If you were going for a job in a research center and didn't have a publication and track record, a PhD would help, but, again, there are top-level researchers that are dropouts. If you want to move into general management, or possibly network sales, an MBA may be more useful. If you are in presales, a CCDP could help for smaller networks. Earlier, someone was concerned about a CCIE that didn't know the significance of port 80. Yeah, that's questionable perhaps -- but if he knew that there was a standard HTTP port and it ran over TCP, I wouldn't be that worried. I have greater respect for physicians that aren't afraid to pull out a reference book to check a drug they don't prescribe every day. OTOH, if you are doing advanced cardiac support, you'd better know the difference between 1:1000 and 1:10000 epinephrine. CCIE does emphasize rote memory, which isn't necessarily an ideal thing in a constantly changing technology. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=60549&t=59481 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
