I followed up and got confirmation that this would be under the apache
license, and not the community source "stuff" (resisting the temptation
to use a stronger word ;) ). Does this have any implications for our
servlet stuff? Could they be rolled together? I know that ours are under
the LGPL, but since this is true open source from sun, it might be nice
to make a public show of support for it... it might encourage them to
move further in this direction later :)
Stuart.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Good News from JavaONE 1999
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:24:49 -0700
From: Pierpaolo Fumagalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Java Apache Users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: Java Apache Project
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
Something Really Cool is being announced today. Something that many
developers here have asked for is finally happening - Sun is making
available to us the source code for JSDK, as well as their code that
implements the JSP 1.0 specification. Several of us have been
lobbying Sun for this for a while, and we're really happy to see it -
so everyone should consider this Good News.
Sun will be donating two code bases: JSDK, and JSP. We figured the best
way to accomodate these new code bases, as well as allow each to develop
their own set of Active Developers, was to create two new CVS trees for
this. We are also seeding the "active developer" team around each with
engineers from Sun, IBM, and Oracle as well as Stefano, Jon, Craig, and
others, to get off to the right start. New developers will be accepted
over time, as is usual for Apache projects.
These projects will not be hosted on java.apache.org, but on their own
site, "jakarta.apache.org". That site will follow the same constitution
and practices that we do on java.apache.org, or any other Apache project
does.
Why did Sun, and those who helped to make this happen, decide to host it
on a separate site? Aside from not wanting to be seen as a "bully" in
the
existing Java-Apache projects, there is a more serious issue having to
do
with trademarks. Sun owns the trademark on the word "Java". You may
agree or disagree as to whether this is a good thing, but the fact is
that
the ownership of this trademark is the only thing that can effectively
keep Microsoft (or anyone else) from fragmenting Java. This is similar
to
the reason why Linus registered the term "Linux" - or why the Apache
developers specifically prevent commercial derivatives of Apache from
carrying the Apache name.
The name of our effort is called the "Java Apache Project". This was an
easy name to come up with, but in the process, we've created a conflict
-
one that could be solved if we came up with a more unique name for
ourselves. This is especially true as we come up with other interesting
projects to do, which despite being written in Java are really more
about
"something else" - for example, Cocoon is as much an "XML" project as it
is a "Java" project.
So because of this, it was felt that, for the time being, we should host
these two projects under a temporary name - that's why we created
"jakarta.apache.org". Ultimately, these two new projects, as well as
projects from java.apache.org, should be merged into a single site,
perhaps with a new name. Also, we hope that the code overlap will, over
time, be eliminated, by merging the two servlet engine projects into
one, based on the different experiences these two products developed
over time.
A lot of this happened over the last two weeks; if this seems like a
surprise or a rush, well, it was. =) The only parts of this that are a
"done deal" is that Sun will be donating their code to our efforts - now
that they've announced it, there's no turning back. Everything else is
up
for discussion; and while we think we've worked out a system that makes
everyone happy, now is the time to start discussing it further. Please
remember to approach this with an open mind, and give both us and Sun
the
benefit of the doubt.
Long-term... who knows what will happen? Our hope is that this shows
Sun
that our model can work - and if we can prove it with Sun, we can work
with anyone. World domination will be ours very quickly. =)
Thanks from all of us.
Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jon Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Pierpaolo Fumagalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
James Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Brian Behlendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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