I have had similar problems with enclojure. But having gone through similar IDE pain working in Ruby on Rails, the Netbeans support ended up being way ahead of most IDEs, so I have hopes that enclojure will get there in time. (My biggest annoyance? The fact that you can't open existing code as a new project - I want to browse clojure-contrib, but I can only do it by creating a new "hello world" project first!)
I'd kind-of like to re-learn emacs - many years ago I was a keen emacs user - my biggest problem is that I'm on a Mac, and I have to keep switching between IDEs and PCs (my work desktop is Linux) not to mention languages. I don't have the spare brain cells to learn another set of key bindings! I need an IDE with easy built-in help, and while "M-x slime-cheatsheet" is handy, it doesn't spare me the world-o-pain when I hit "Alt-w" (one of the few keystrokes my fingers remember from last time) and my emacs window closes! Argh! So I try to stick with IDEs that have everything on menus, so when I forget the "open file anywhere in project" command for a particular IDE, I can look it up. (Does Emacs have this, by the way? It doesn't really have a "project" concept... ) I might look at the JEdit plugin though - JEdit is nice, for simple editing, which might be good enough for me for now. Incidentally, if you want a language with an editor built in, why not look at Smalltalk? I vaguely recall that was a big part of the original language concept. I haven't ever played with it myself, but the most popular current flavour seems to be Squeak: http://www.squeak.org/ - Korny On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:18 PM, e <evier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > seems like enclosjure addresses a bunch of my problems/questions. It > also seems to work like we wanted SLIME to work, more or > less . . .where you attach to the vm that's used for execution . . . > only you attach to the REPL, I think, which still accomplishes the > goal of keeping the editor separate from the memory, but what about > having the REPL being able to attach to the vm it is managing. Then > it wouldn't be something that NetBeans/enclosure is doing . . . rather > something that's part of the language. > > So, yeah. enslojure sets up a HelloWorld that you can play with right > away. In fact, when you click on "build" it even tells you how you > could run your application from the command line using a java > command. It jars up you whole clojure project and everything. Nice. > On the other hand, I couldn't figure out how to use NetBeans' run > button. it couldn't find main or something. So I also couldn't debug > using NetBeans' debugger because of this. Also, it isn't clear how to > get different clojure files to work together. Do you use the (load) > function? If so, I don't know how the project thinks of relative file > locations. It's not as clean/clear as java (for a beginner, at least) > where you just import classes you want to use . . and make > packages. . . . or modules in python. I don't know what the notion of > "path" is in clojure. I see the namespace stuff but have no clue how > to make it work yet. Are you just supposed to use one giant file for > all your work? That wouldn't be good for teams, for sure. . . only > for hacking. Also the REPL errors are USELESS to a beginner. > something about iSeq all the time. The moral for me there was no to > make an error. Better than where I was before enclojure. Again, I > contend that a language is only as good as the IDE that has been > written for it, which is why it's cool to see enclojure coming along > (even though it means learning NetBeans instead of Eclipse). > > > On Jan 10, 5:31 pm, Paul Mooser <taron...@gmail.com> wrote: >> If I'm not mistaken, this is fairly close to how SLIME works, when >> connected to a remote VM. The remote VM is running some server code >> which allows it to communicate with SLIME, which is running inside of >> emacs. >> >> On Jan 10, 2:15 pm, e <evier...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > exactly. . . .but I bet a lot of people would just reply that this is >> > not possible to address since the REPL is the one and only vm. >> > Disclaimer, I'm only guessing at that, too. I don't understand any of >> > this, yet. But if that's the case, fix that. Have the REPL send >> > messages to the vm that's running the program . . . instead of the >> > REPL being the program. >> >> > On Jan 10, 5:00 pm, Paul Mooser <taron...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > > Yeah, I'm not really sure how I think the problem would be ideally >> > > solved. It would just be nice for an interactive programming >> > > environment to be able to recover from all exceptions that happen at a >> > > higher level than the VM itself. >> >> > > On Jan 10, 12:20 pm, "Christian Vest Hansen" <karmazi...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > > I don't think it is possible to define a way to deal with heap >> > > > saturation that is general enough to cover all programs written in >> > > > Clojure, and therefor I don't think this is something that the Clojure >> > > > runtime should deal with at all. >> >> > > > Personally, I only know of two ways to handle OutOfMemoryErrors: 1) >> > > > let the program blow up and hope someone notices or 2) look at your >> > > > body, pick the limb you are least likely to be needing pretty soon and >> > > > cut it off (aka. free some memory) and _then_ yell for help through >> > > > some hopefully reliable channel. > > > -- Kornelis Sietsma korny at my surname dot com kornys at gmail dot com on google chat -- kornys on skype "Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders what the part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of" --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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